Sandro Tonali

[Menace]

Considering everything's thats happened this guy's disappointed me the most. Went from being a colossal midfielder with the energy levels of a XL bully who hasn't been fed for a day to someone really limp and pathetic.

 

I'd like to keep him of course but not surprised if he does go and wouldn't really be as sad about it as I thought I'd be.

 

What would he even fetch, £70m?

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by Menace

[Slim]

100mil 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We need a reset but I don’t think it should involve selling our good players. It should involve selling our bad players and getting more good ones in. 

[nufcjmc]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We need a reset but I don’t think it should involve selling our good players. It should involve selling our bad players and getting more good ones in. 

While I agree those solid performers have in various levels been poor too hence our sub par season. 

 

Bruno with his goal output this season has stepped up. Along with Hall continuing good levels when played. 

 

Drop offs to tonali, murphy, gordon on left, barnes in prem then followed by mixed performances from burn, botman and big joe mean its a tough decision to make.

 

1. They have to want to stay. 

2. You have to hope this season is a blip and they can return to their levels of last season or season before last.

3. The issue of reinvestment means you can't just peddle your shite and raise enough to rebuild or reshape the squad means your going likely to let go someone who is one of the first names on the team sheet. 

 

We must do better with the funds we get from sales easier said than done I know but if your squad is filled with over priced under performers the trading model falls down as you only get clubs willing to loan them not buy them or get no interest at all. 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Yeah of course, fair points. But almost every thread is full of how we should sell the player. We can’t afford to let that many go, we already need to add lots of quality. 

[nufcjmc]

9 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, fair points. But almost every thread is full of how we should sell the player. We can’t afford to let that many go, we already need to add lots of quality. 

 

I get you, you ideally want to build and phase out (to our bench) the non performers/contract running down players or move them on. 

 

If I could just wave a magic wand

 

We sell Murphy coming into his final year 

We sell Willock coming into his final year 

we listen to offers on BDB (age and contract length) 

We listen to offers on big joe (age, fitness issues and contract length) 

We listen to offers on pope been shite and coming into final year of contract

We already have let go essentially of trips, targett and Lascelles which frees up wages. 

 

that list above ideally should be enough to revamp your squad but we know there will be few takers and not a lot in terms of fees for any of them. 

 

I don't want to salivate over  Gordon/Tonali/Bruno/Barnes/Tino/Hall going for massive fees and making profits as while yes unlike the Ashley years it will all get reinvested your basically ripping out the heart of the squad which already needs work doing to it already I think we may need 5/6 players before any player sales:

 

• backup right back 
• backup left back
• willock replacement/something different in midfield 
• back up RCB (sorry Fabi) 
• 1st choice keeper 

 

then depends on the player and the summer

• if pope goes another keeper 
• if BDB goes and botman form/fitness continues to be an issue then back up LCB 
• if Osula goes striker 
• if someone is mad enough to take wissa another striker 

 

then if we did sell or listen to offers on

• tonali 
• gordon 
• tino
• hall

 

I just cant see that much upheaval being allowed or happening to be honest we are likely to see 5-7 players come in the summer but they wont all be 40/50m players and some will have to be in more of the risk/gamble category. 

 

Based on the clubs comments, our big spend in the summer that didn't work and likely no Europe next season a big sale or 2 is very likely and unless next season instantly goes back on track ( I have my doubts due to the striker situation we find ourselves in its as easy as less games we are fine) this is likely to be the case for the next few seasons to come until we start getting back to back Europe money on top of sponsorships etc. 

[Holloway]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We need a reset but I don’t think it should involve selling our good players. It should involve selling our bad players and getting more good ones in. 

Is this a serious post,what kind of reset can we expect by selling the players that are worth fuck all 🤔

[Holloway]

17 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

I'm almost 100% certain the team would function better with Miley in that position ahead of Tonali.

 

We'd for sure keep the ball better, and string together more convincing passages of play with the football more often. He's also far more likely to get you a goal or an assist even from that position.

 

All I consistently see Tonali do that really stands out is running back to take the ball off someone when a team is coming at us in transition. Even with winning the ball back he doesn't tend to do so as much outside of those transition moments.

 

I cannot believe the fuss made over this guy. I keep watching and looking for more and I never see it. I really do wish he was actually as good as we keep being told he is, especially by the media. That would actually be really nice.

Where I'm at, good player and I'd prefer to keep if he's happy to stay, but he's hardly irreplaceable 

[TaylorJ_01]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, fair points. But almost every thread is full of how we should sell the player. We can’t afford to let that many go, we already need to add lots of quality. 

 

I do agree but, in the case of Tonali, the gulf between his perceived market value and his performances is so massive it makes sense to sell him for the right price.

 

So many elements of his game are poor other than replicable things like running loads and being raging. 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, fair points. But almost every thread is full of how we should sell the player. We can’t afford to let that many go, we already need to add lots of quality. 

I’m sick of reading it. 

[andycap]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, fair points. But almost every thread is full of how we should sell the player. We can’t afford to let that many go, we already need to add lots of quality. 

The problem is with the window we just had we are up against the psr rules again with our poor business. So a big player will have to leave this summer hopefully only one mind. 

[Bellis80]

17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’m sick of reading it. 

The players we would want to sell are worth so little money there is no point selling them. It’s either sell some of the good ones or go with the same again.

[Infinitely Content]

10 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

The players we would want to sell are worth so little money there is no point selling them. It’s either sell some of the good ones or go with the same again.

One, two maximum imo (only if the fee is above our valuation and hard to turn down). We shouldn't be actively looking to sell Livramento, Tonali and Gordon. We have a lot of work to do already this summer without having to additonally replace 3 of our best players with ones of the same or better quality. We know how difficult transfer windows can be, bringing in replacements for those 3 is a summer's work in itself.

[Bellis80]

I don’t see how we can do the work we need to do without selling one, or more, of those three.

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

One, two maximum imo (only if the fee is above our valuation and hard to turn down). We shouldn't be actively looking to sell Livramento, Tonali and Gordon. We have a lot of work to do already this summer without having to additonally replace 3 of our best players with ones of the same or better quality. We know how difficult transfer windows can be, bringing in replacements for those 3 is a summer's work in itself.

This. Sell the dross we bought in the summer. There's some value in Joelinton, Willock etc.

[Bellis80]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

This. Sell the dross we bought in the summer. There's some value in Joelinton, Willock etc.

A German club might bail us out with Woltemade. Joelinton and Willock you wouldn’t get enough to replace them with one good player.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, Bellis80 said:

A German club might bail us out with Woltemade. Joelinton and Willock you wouldn’t get enough to replace them with one good player.

Plenty of good players are available at good prices every summer.

 

If Willock is so useless, he won't be that hard to replace.

[Bellis80]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Plenty of good players are available at good prices every summer.

 

If Willock is so useless, he won't be that hard to replace.

The offer was supposedly £20million for Willock in January and he’s worth less now. Joelinton is regularly injured and on a lot of money for how good he is. Outside of Livramento, Thiaw, Hall, Bruno, Tonali and Gordon I don’t think we have anyone that could be replaced for the money we would get for them (probably Miley but I have no idea how much he’d be worth). And we’re already a few players short without losing anyone else. To change things this summer looks impossible without some of those going.

[The College Dropout]

£20m for Willock is fine. £15m is fine. £20-30m for Joelinton is fine.

[Loki679]

Would be nice if the Chairman could have a word with a non-PIF club and get them to take some deadwood off our hands for big money.

 

'Oh, you bought Joelinton and Willock for £100m?  Good for you.  By the way, forgot to mention your club has been awarded a government grant of £100m to fix up the bogs at your stadium.'

[SteV]

[Fak]

Doesn't sound like he's addressed it at all.

[gbandit]

Not exactly an endorsement from him about his plans to stay with us. However ultimately I don’t care, as long as he keeps trying until his last game with us that’s fine. He won’t leave like Isak did, if he leaves it’ll be with some class and that’s ok. What Isak did was unforgivable

[TK-421]

I've said it before, but I respect him more for being a bit more open about his future... not making soundbites and empty nicities, which is what Isak did.

Its just his agent seemingly hawking him around to the highest bidder comes across very distasteful. 

As/when Tonali leaves, hopefully he'll do it in the right way, but I will be disappointed if he ends up at one of the PL clubs, as initial noises suggested he wanted to go back to Italy, which would be understandable with a new family.

[HayDen Traces]

48 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

I've said it before, but I respect him more for being a bit more open about his future... not making soundbites and empty nicities, which is what Isak did.

Its just his agent seemingly hawking him around to the highest bidder comes across very distasteful. 

As/when Tonali leaves, hopefully he'll do it in the right way, but I will be disappointed if he ends up at one of the PL clubs, as initial noises suggested he wanted to go back to Italy, which would be understandable with a new family.

Ultimately we're still a stepping stone club just the quality of players using us to step up are generally a higher calibre to the Sissoko, Cabaye era