Jaqen Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 He may well ease him in purely down to the difficult start to the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, madras said: "Best as the left hand no8" ? Haven't seen that anywhere like. Most of the sites fbref and the like have him central and he played mainly on the right for Italy the other night. In the title-winning year he played LCM mostly and did his best work there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 52 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Think people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect Tonali to come straight into the team. Howe doesn't tend to operate that way from what we've seen so far, and at this point I have no qualms with it tbh Hmm, maybe. But he threw Isak straight in as soon as he was eligible. Only injury stopped him getting more minutes before Christmas. Botman also started 4 of the first 6 matches of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, jackflap said: And we play City, Liverpool, Brighton after Villa. If we don't start him against Villa at home they'd be tough games to throw him straight into. That's the point though, we have the hardest start in the league and we would be playing it without our £60m midfielder (and I assume whoever else we sign). Our main problem since Howe picked up form 2 seasons ago has been picking up points against the top sides as we're just short of quality. Edited June 25, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I don't mind Howe's approach of easing the players in, same time I believe players like Bruno and Botman would have looked good from the get go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, greydos said: In the title-winning year he played LCM mostly and did his best work there I think you're getting this the wrong way around. He mainly played on the left side last season: And right the title winning season: Edited June 25, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I think you're getting this the wrong way around. He mainly played on the left side last season: And right the title winning season: And even tgen was it a left/right split or fulfilling roles. Tonali playing the deeper playmaker role and Kessie more box to box ? Edited June 25, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Hoping/expecting that we reach the position in terms of squad strength that we are able to take a Bruno (example) out of the team a few times in autumn and winter with the aim of being in good shape through the spring run in. Pep is a master at this, as has been Klopp. Get the numbers, up get the quality up, forget about a ‘first 11’, and use the fact that we can afford to have 15 or 16 top quality players. Great season ahead! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, jackflap said: Nah, Tonali will go straight in IMO, we're probably going to sign 3 first teamers this window, unlikely we'll drip feed all of them in. Every single signing since the initial ones that were essential to us staying up have been dropped in and he won’t be any different in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Crayola Kid said: Hoping/expecting that we reach the position in terms of squad strength that we are able to take a Bruno (example) out of the team a few times in autumn and winter with the aim of being in good shape through the spring run in. Pep is a master at this, as has been Klopp. Get the numbers, up get the quality up, forget about a ‘first 11’, and use the fact that we can afford to have 15 or 16 top quality players. Great season ahead! I'd imagine most managers would be good at it if they had a squad where there isn't a huge drop off when you pull out fist choice players for a game or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, madras said: I'd imagine most managers would be good at it if they had a squad where there isn't a huge drop off when you pull out fist choice players for a game or two. Yes that’s fair but people are suggesting taking, as an example - Longstaff, out of the starting side as some kind of demotion or a significant move for day 1 of the season. We will hopefully be able to swap a few in and out during the busy periods in a way we haven’t managed before. Was clear to see we had a few tired players in certain games late last season, hopefully the plans this summer are not just to replace people but to increase our options week by week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I think you're getting this the wrong way around. He mainly played on the left side last season: And right the title winning season: Fair play you’re right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, pormag said: Botman was one of the most sought after CB's in europe. Was he? Only remember links to us and AC Milan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, LFEE said: Was he? Only remember links to us and AC Milan. PSG were rumoured to have been sniffing about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, LFEE said: Was he? Only remember links to us and AC Milan. I actually remember reading many thought he’d be found out here due to a perceived lack of pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Trippier, Botman, Isak, Wood, Targett and Burn all pretty much were part of the starting 11 after a game or two. Only good example we have of better players being eased in is Bruno who came in mid season. If Tonali is ready to start after spending the pre-season with the team, i think he will. If Howe thinks he needs to be eased in then he will be. But it doesnt seem to be a standard pattern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, Displayname said: Trippier, Botman, Isak, Wood, Targett and Burn all pretty much were part of the starting 11 after a game or two. Only good example we have of better players being eased in is Bruno who came in mid season. If Tonali is ready to start after spending the pre-season with the team, i think he will. If Howe thinks he needs to be eased in then he will be. But it doesnt seem to be a standard pattern. Isak got his shot early as Wilson was out. I'm sure Botman would have been a few more weeks until he became a regular if Targett wasn't out too. The others had all played in the PL before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Isak got his shot early as Wilson was out. I'm sure Botman would have been a few more weeks until he became a regular if Targett wasn't out too. The others had all played in the PL before. We still had players who had been regulars last year like Wood and Lascelles on the bench. So he definiatly could have eased them in if he wanted to. Tonali got to the Champions league semi-finals this year. Not really sure that he needs to get used to the high tempo of PL, especially with the workrate he has previously shown. Not that i am in any way certain that he will start the first game. But if he gels well and impresses with the team in pre-season, i dont see why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 We have a history of having some of our most exciting signings get injured shortly after arrival. Ben Arfa, Trippier, Isak.. I'm sure that I'm forgetting someone. Lets hope it doesn't happen again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Oba Martins. His debut vs Villa. Got stretchered off with a dead leg. Was convinced on the bus on the way home he was out for the season... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigValley Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Erikse said: We have a history of having some of our most exciting signings get injured shortly after arrival. Ben Arfa, Trippier, Isak.. I'm sure that I'm forgetting someone. Lets hope it doesn't happen again. Owen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 hours ago, LFEE said: Was he? Only remember links to us and AC Milan. First I heard of him was Liverpool being linked with him when van Dijk got injured. Not sure how serious their interest was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Some players are allways injured though. As for Trippier and Isak they had not been out for this long for a very long time. The Ben Arfa one was also a crazy one.. Just very unlucky these ones. With some players we would've been lucky if they didn't get injured shortly after arrival. Edited June 26, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Erikse said: We have a history of having some of our most exciting signings get injured shortly after arrival. Ben Arfa, Trippier, Isak.. I'm sure that I'm forgetting someone. Lets hope it doesn't happen again. Luque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Erikse said: We have a history of having some of our most exciting signings get injured shortly after arrival. Ben Arfa, Trippier, Isak.. I'm sure that I'm forgetting someone. Lets hope it doesn't happen again. Luque injured in debut? Emre did his hamstring pretty quickly.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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