Swazzdro Tonali

[Andy]

19 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

You say 'regardless of the positional switch', but I think that's really something you can't disregard when that in itself means he's not in competition with Longstaff for the same role anymore. It's Bruno vs Longstaff now

 

I disagree with this. Bruno is in the team regardless. The switch to the teamsheet that needed to be made (and that I was clamouring for) was Longstaff out, Tonali in. 

 

That change is the sole reason we've been able to accommodate Bruno moving to the right. No other player could sit centrally like Tonali has, particularly Longstaff. 

 

Howe hasn't dropped Longstaff for Bruno, he's dropped him for Tonali. 

[Kid Icarus]

18 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

I disagree with this. Bruno is in the team regardless. The switch to the teamsheet that needed to be made (and that I was clamouring for) was Longstaff out, Tonali in. 

 

That change is the sole reason we've been able to accommodate Bruno moving to the right. No other player could sit centrally like Tonali has, particularly Longstaff. 

 

Howe hasn't dropped Longstaff for Bruno, he's dropped him for Tonali. 

 

And the point that we were making is that as a direct swap in the role Longstaff plays, Tonali was unsuitable with Longstaff as the demostrably better option. I thought that point (even if you disagree with it) was really clear like, because not long after I remember me and Heron saying that Tonali was no longer in competition with Longstaff, but with Willock/Joelinton on the left. 

 

In shorthand it's Longstaff out, Tonali in, but in terms of their roles it's Bruno for Longstaff, Tonali for Bruno.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Andy]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

And the point that we were making is that as a direct swap in the role Longstaff plays, Tonali was unsuitable. I thought that point (even if you disagree with it) was really clear like, because not long after I remember me and Heron saying that Tonali was no longer in competition with Longstaff, but with Willock/Joelinton on the left. 

 

In shorthand it's Longstaff out, Tonali in, but in terms of their roles it's Bruno for Longstaff, Tonali for Bruno.

 

I don't think we're referring to the same discussions. I don't even remember arguing with you about it, although I'm not saying it didn't happen

 

My mindset has always been that you play your best midfielders. For me, that meant Tonali coming in to the team and finding a way for it to work, which is what has ultimately happened. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

I don't think we're referring to the same discussions. I don't even remember arguing with you about it, although I'm not saying it didn't happen

 

My mindset has always been that you play your best midfielders. For me, that meant Tonali coming in to the team and finding a way for it to work, which is what has ultimately happened. 

 

Yeah there's a decent chance we're talking about different discussion like.

 

Yeah, I can definitely get on board with that mindset, but chemistry and all that comes into it as well I suppose. Tonali on that right side was such a waste, I'm pleased that we now seem to have found a solution that brings out the best in him and Bruno. 

[huss9]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13276482/bruno-guimaraes-speaks-on-sandro-tonalis-difficult-moment-while-serving-ban

[TBG]

Can't help loving Bruno. 

 

Can see why so many of our fans take so much enjoyment over discussing how much we can sell him for.

[jonny1403]

52 minutes ago, TBG said:

Can't help loving Bruno. 

 

Can see why so many of our fans take so much enjoyment over discussing how much we can sell him for.

 

I know it might not make the most PSR sense but out of Bruno, Gordon and Isak I'd sacrifice the latter two ahead of Bruno. He just gets the club. I'll be gutted if/when he eventually leaves. He could be here for another decade.

[Tiresias]

There will be heartbreaking sales to come, i honestly think it may just come down to the players though, if a player wants to go, doesn't want to be here we may just want to cash in and buy smart. We need to get ahead of this in future though, i feel all the sensible clubs that do sell already have replacements on the books, relying on someone coming in and fitting in immediately isn't great

[Mike]

Gonna be so fucking mad when the teamsheet comes out Saturday and he's on the bench.

[Cf]

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

Gonna be so fucking mad when the teamsheet comes out Saturday and he's on the bench.

 

Ban.

[Kanj]

1 hour ago, TBG said:

Can't help loving Bruno. 

 

Can see why so many of our fans take so much enjoyment over discussing how much we can sell him for.

 

goes back to when people randomly say "bruno shouldn't be captain" when clearly he's the emotional heart and soul of the team - he's friends and close with every single one of the players and staff. He's a genuine good man on and off the pitch by all accounts, and he's our standard setter, a torch taken from Trippier. 

 

The leadership group of Jamaal, Trippier, Burn, Wilson, Longie and Bruno make a whole lot of sense to me. Some will be moved on, and others will step up. I don't doubt that Gordon, Isak, Fab, Botman will find their way there too at some point. 

[Mike]

1 minute ago, Cf said:

 

Ban.

 

 

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, huss9 said:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13276482/bruno-guimaraes-speaks-on-sandro-tonalis-difficult-moment-while-serving-ban

We are absolutely blessed to have Bruno and Tonali in the same midfield - who'd have thought a few years back that we'd have the mainstays of the Brazil and Italy national teams in our engine room. Long may it continue. Now let's start fucking some PL teams up.

[Ronson333]

24 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

We are absolutely blessed to have Bruno and Tonali in the same midfield - who'd have thought a few years back that we'd have the mainstays of the Brazil and Italy national teams in our engine room. Long may it continue. Now let's start fucking some PL teams up.

Yep it was only 4 years ago we had Shelvey and Hayden/Hendrick starting.

[PauloGeordio]

 

🖤🤍Steve knows Swazz when he sees it! 
 

[Dr Venkman]

6 hours ago, Smal said:

really enjoying his performances as a 6. He's much better at receiving the ball than I expected. 

 

Once Bruno has more playing time as an 8 I expect his performances will pick up too, which is exciting. 

I suspected the wait to get Sandro in the middle has been more about Bruno learning RCM than Sandro's form/fitness.

[Roids]

8 hours ago, Menace said:

"we look better with longstaff"

There's a cult like minority who feel obliged to agree with everything Howe does.

 

We might be be armchair managers but you don't need have done your badges to see the stark levels in quality between the two.

[Dr Venkman]

Just now, Roids said:

There's a cult like minority who feel obliged to agree with everything Howe does.

 

We might be be armchair managers but you don't need have done your badges to see the stark levels in quality between the two.

 

Agreed. The only logical solution is EH had what he thought were good reasons to do what he did. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[Kid Icarus]

The cult of thinking that when it comes down to it, Eddie Howe has shown himself to know better than some fickle know-nowt gobshites on Twitter. 

 

The same cult there was when the same nonsense happened under Rafa. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The cult of thinking that when it comes down to it, Eddie Howe has shown himself to know better than some fickle know-nowt gobshites on Twitter. 

 

The same cult there was when the same nonsense happened under Rafa. 

the turn of 2017-2018 was the pits on here. All that was missing was some dude posting his manifesto before shooting up a mosque.

[Dr Venkman]

Says a lot about Bruno that he has given up his position for the newer lad despite being amazing for us there since joining, and the fact that he’s captain as well.

[vexred]

10 hours ago, ExiledGeordie said:

It make such a difference having a player who can drive one on target from the edge of the box, teams have to come out and mark him and that creates more space. 

 

It's something that frustrates me about Bruno. He just doesn't have a good shot on him. 

[madras]

16 minutes ago, Roids said:

There's a cult like minority who feel obliged to agree with everything Howe does.

 

We might be be armchair managers but you don't need have done your badges to see the stark levels in quality between the two.

Between two individuals yes. Between how they fitted in to the team based on the teams performances, and that's Bruno in the middle Tonali to the right or Longstaff, it's not so clear cut based on what I actually watched.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Dr Venkman said:

Says a lot about Bruno that he has given up his position for the newer lad despite being amazing for us there since joining, and the fact that he’s captain as well.

I think Bruno is happier in the new role tbh.

[madras]

Just now, Dr Venkman said:

Says a lot about Bruno that he has given up his position for the newer lad despite being amazing for us there since joining, and the fact that he’s captain as well.

Tbf he hadn't been so great there this season. He'd set such a high bar.