Shearergol Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Yeah Hall looks a very very classy player. Just the type I'd love to see us sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not sure why we're ignoring the last two like. They only didn't get the minutes because the first 4 choices were fit and playing well. Tonali is now added to it. We're more than covered. They didn’t get minutes because they were not trusted. Tonali will get minutes because he’s trusted. Whoever drops out the team for him will get minutes because they are also trusted. On another note. I don’t rate Burn much at CB. He’s prone to lapses in concentration and at CB they are more fatal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not sure why we're ignoring the last two like. This has annoyed me the last couple of days. People just completely ignoring or discounting players because it doesn’t fit their view. Bottom line is if they are in the squad they have to be counted be it Anderson, Ritchie or Dummett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Why should I consider Dummett playing for Newcastle when Howe doesn’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Why should I consider Dummett playing for Newcastle when Howe doesn’t? He's just given him a contract and will likely be registered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: They didn’t get minutes because they were not trusted. Tonali will get minutes because he’s trusted. Whoever drops out the team for him will get minutes because they are also trusted. On another note. I don’t rate Burn much at CB. He’s prone to lapses in concentration and at CB they are more fatal. Anderson got nearly 500 minutes last season like, which isn't inconsequential and Howe constantly bigs him up, he's clearly trusted like. You also need to trust youth, as a fanbase we've always moaned about our youth setup, and we finally have a couple of players that could be decent at Premier League level, and people want to make it so they never get any game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Toon88 said: Saw some French media claiming Jean-Clair Todibo has been identified as our main CB target. Disasi no longer of interest. OGCN value @€40m Think we’ll do it at that price. Same as Botman, same as Badiashille. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: He's just given him a contract and will likely be registered. Is this not for home grown quota mainly, and cheer leading with a future roll within the cloob? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Why should I consider Dummett playing for Newcastle when Howe doesn’t? He’s not first team or close but if we have an injury crisis he’ll be used. No one is saying Dummett will be likely to get much minutes but if needs must howe will use him. He got a contract and he’s taking up a squad space. Same with Ritchie, same with Gillespie etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Sounds like Tierney might be a more realistic option. Hopefully that is the next area we’re focusing on providing everything does go through with Livramento . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I’d rather Hall than Tierney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Is this not for home grown quota mainly, and cheer leading with a future roll within the cloob? More than likely and more than likely he won’t be needed as Burn is CH and one will be signed but if there is an unlikely injury/suspension crisis and we have 4 centre halves out then Howe will use him and that’s the point of the discussion we might not have the necessary quality in back up but the players are there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Anderson got nearly 500 minutes last season like, which isn't inconsequential and Howe constantly bigs him up, he's clearly trusted like. You also need to trust youth, as a fanbase we've always moaned about our youth setup, and we finally have a couple of players that could be decent at Premier League level, and people want to make it so they never get any game time. I think both Howe and Ashworth are proponents of giving youth players opportunities. In theory (though teams like Chelsea seem to get around this somehow) you don’t get potentially world-class youth prospects without providing evidence of a pathway into the first team. Also helps with “farming” young players to sell off for FFP purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: I’d rather Hall than Tierney This. Always looked good when I could be arsed to watch Chewsee. Good injury stats v Tierney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 We might as well sack the academy off now if we are never going to have the faith in youngsters to give them any game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, 54 said: Anderson got nearly 500 minutes last season like, which isn't inconsequential and Howe constantly bigs him up, he's clearly trusted like. You also need to trust youth, as a fanbase we've always moaned about our youth setup, and we finally have a couple of players that could be decent at Premier League level, and people want to make it so they never get any game time. 500 minutes is inconsequential. It’s not enough for his development. It’s the equivalent of 5.5 full games. If Howe was willing to give him solid minutes I would be delighted. But he’s not. You don’t develop youth by having them sit on the bench for seasons on end. They either get minutes at the club like Garnacho or you loan them out to get minutes elsewhere like Amad Diallo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: We might as well sack the academy off now if we are never going to have the faith in youngsters to give them any game time. We’re building a squad to not only compete on 4 fronts but sell on too. It’ll all come together in time, including academy players. Edited July 21, 2023 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: We might as well sack the academy off now if we are never going to have the faith in youngsters to give them any game time. The academy has been neglected for years. Due to previous owners. So there won’t be a huge pool of talent there at the minute. give it a few years and that should change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: 500 minutes is inconsequential. It’s not enough for his development. It’s the equivalent of 5.5 full games. If Howe was willing to give him solid minutes I would be delighted. But he’s not. You don’t develop youth by having them sit on the bench for seasons on end. They either get minutes at the club like Garnacho or you loan them out to get minutes elsewhere like Amad Diallo. Wasn’t the reason he wasn’t used much because we didn’t need him to be because we had enough in midfield and now we’ve added Tonali so kinda goes against your theory we don’t have enough in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Like Curtis Jones actually gets minutes for Liverpool. He’s a proper member of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 When we develop youth players capable of making the step up, they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon88 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 -Hall-Botman-Todibo-Livramento- Future defence ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Is this not for home grown quota mainly, and cheer leading with a future roll within the cloob? I think the last year or so is the first time I d heard of this cheerleader role like. If he was on a nominal wage and doing what Huddlestone and Spearing are then great, but he's likely taking up one of the 25 squad places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, gdm said: Wasn’t the reason he wasn’t used much because we didn’t need him to be because we had enough in midfield and now we’ve added Tonali so kinda goes against your theory we don’t have enough in midfield. That’s your understanding. I think Howe simply didn’t think he had a choice but to run our lads into the ground. He said himself Joelinton and Bruno played through injury and knocks often. If Howe thought Anderson was ready, he would get proper minutes. Even when he didn’t start, Howe would give ASM solid minutes. And the other starter was a bad performance away from ASM coming in. That wasn’t the case in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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