WinstonFC Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 We need a CDM when playing against the citys, arsenal and liverpools of this world. Possession based teams who are high class at exploiting the space between the lines in the final third. Foden ran riot last weekend. A CDM option would help us nulify that whilst also giving us more protection when protecting leads later in games against other opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Thuram seems to have been left alone this window which is a bit strange as you would think he would be a default choice for Liverpool after the Caicedo/Lavia collapses. Wonder if his personal references were poor, as most teams seem to be more than okay with scooping up players before they are fully ready - Hojlund, Lavia etc. Guess it goes on the pile with the Jonathan David transfer that never happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: Thuram seems to have been left alone this window which is a bit strange as you would think he would be a default choice for Liverpool after the Caicedo/Lavia collapses. Wonder if his personal references were poor, as most teams seem to be more than okay with scooping up players before they are fully ready - Hojlund, Lavia etc. Guess it goes on the pile with the Jonathan David transfer that never happens. Todibo has also been left alone at this point, think it’s got more to do with Nice being backed by Ineos and being tough sellers. Though according to French media he could be heading to Man U shortly, might help that Ratcliffe is a Manc though and trying to buy them. Edited August 23, 2023 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think it would be harsh bringing a DM in and just keeping him for those games as he’s clearly set out what he has in mind with what he’s got. I think it’s more about utilising what we do have and using possibly a defender for that role if needed. Then it’s who do you sacrifice and who do you play at the back. Barnes Wilson Murphy Tonali Bruno Botman Hall Burn Schar Trips Pope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Geordie Boyo said: I think it would be harsh bringing a DM in and just keeping him for those games as he’s clearly set out what he has in mind with what he’s got. I think it’s more about utilising what we do have and using possibly a defender for that role if needed. Then it’s who do you sacrifice and who do you play at the back. Barnes Wilson Murphy Tonali Bruno Botman Hall Burn Schar Trips Pope You need livramento at left back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, jack j said: You need livramento at left back Tino’s RB. Did you mean RB?? Hall is LB. Too early in the morning for a confusing reply like that…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Geordie Boyo said: I think it would be harsh bringing a DM in and just keeping him for those games as he’s clearly set out what he has in mind with what he’s got. I think it’s more about utilising what we do have and using possibly a defender for that role if needed. Then it’s who do you sacrifice and who do you play at the back. Barnes Wilson Murphy Tonali Bruno Botman Hall Burn Schar Trips Pope Was it Park who Fergie used to play for only the big games and when he wanted a player marked out of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, RobsonsWonderland said: Was it Park who Fergie used to play for only the big games and when he wanted a player marked out of the game? Gets dog's abuse in Pirlo's autobiography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, WinstonFC said: We need a CDM when playing against the citys, arsenal and liverpools of this world. Possession based teams who are high class at exploiting the space between the lines in the final third. Foden ran riot last weekend. A CDM option would help us nulify that whilst also giving us more protection when protecting leads later in games against other opposition. 16 minutes ago, Geordie Boyo said: I think it would be harsh bringing a DM in and just keeping him for those games as he’s clearly set out what he has in mind with what he’s got. I think it’s more about utilising what we do have and using possibly a defender for that role if needed. Then it’s who do you sacrifice and who do you play at the back. Barnes Wilson Murphy Tonali Bruno Botman Hall Burn Schar Trips Pope I think that's a good point, Winston, though as Georgie Boyo, says, you can scarcely have a DM who only gets played against the good sides. I wouldn't agree with him though about the viability of using any of our defenders in that role. The problem with a specialist DM is that they tend to get a lot of possession, and if they're not able to use it well, then you lose a lot of attacking opportunities. The compromise we have at the moment is Bruno, who's good on the ball but not great defensively. So really you want a midfielder who's good at both attacking and defensive roles. They're thin on the ground, cost a lot of money potentially and get snapped up by the wealthier clubs (eg Caicedo, Lavia, Rodri, MacAllister) Hopefully, in time, we're able to sort that. We could try Tonali in that role, and I think that's what most of us were expecting when he signed, with Bruno being pushed further forward. What I think Eddie is doing at the moment is dividing those roles between them. This takes some co-ordination, and we'll have to see how it develops. Meantime, it doesn't solve the problem that you raised intially, about the problem of having to nullify a Foden (or maybe a Maddison ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said: Was it Park who Fergie used to play for only the big games and when he wanted a player marked out of the game? Yeah it was. He said after the defeat to Barcelona in the champions league final he should have started park and got him to man mark Messi and he believes they would have won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, Gazzaschicken said: Yeah it was. He said after the defeat to Barcelona in the champions league final he should have started park and got him to man mark Messi and he believes they would have won. Doubt it would have made a jot of difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) We definitely need a solution for those half spaces. Could be tactical rather than personnel. City have a DM. But they often defend in a 442. Just blocks out a lot of space. We defended in a 442 first half against Villa. Compact too with Miggy at RW and narrow. I think that helped. A 4141 would also plug those gaps but that negates a counter attack though. Edited August 23, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Doubt it would have made a jot of difference. I agree but it is what he believes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gazzaschicken said: I agree but it is what he believes He's a piss artist if you ask me. Which you didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Different times and different players... But everyone told Keegan he needed to be stronger in defence and brought in Batty. I loved him as a player but I do wonder if buying a stronger CB then peacock and leaving the midfield as is, would have been the better option? Much as dropping in a fixed CDM now might limit us in other aspects of our gameplay. Edited August 23, 2023 by RobsonsWonderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, jack j said: You need livramento at left back Tino at left back is the new schar in midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Think we'd obviously benefit in some ways from someone who has the qualities of a traditional DM but won't want to sacrifice the on the ball qualities that we get from having someone like Bruno there. Not sure it would be a net gain. Ideally someone who offers a nice blend of both will come along at some point, but it's very far down the list of improvements needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Remember, Philips knocked us back at the start of the window, it deffo looked like we were looking for a dynamic holding midfielder so that we could Bruno further upfield... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, buzza said: Remember, Philips knocked us back at the start of the window, it deffo looked like we were looking for a dynamic holding midfielder so that we could Bruno further upfield... Did he? I can see why we'd be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Was that this window? I feel like I remember a link to him but it seems so long ago that I thought it was the winter window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 It was rumoured at the start of the window (from Edwards) that we enquired and he said he wanted to stay at city. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 A solid 5/7 for this window. I would have given top marks if we'd moved on the players surplus to requirements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, Stal said: A solid 5/7 for this window. I would have given top marks if we'd moved on the players surplus to requirements. We still have ten days to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Shak said: Think we'd obviously benefit in some ways from someone who has the qualities of a traditional DM but won't want to sacrifice the on the ball qualities that we get from having someone like Bruno there. Not sure it would be a net gain. Ideally someone who offers a nice blend of both will come along at some point, but it's very far down the list of improvements needed. I think we’d potentially play that a number of ways - 1) you sign a young player that still is developing and comes in situationally, rotates etc. 2) you sign an older one with experience in Europe, who is OK with a limited role 3) you sign an elite DM but realize that means our 8s are Bruno and Sandro and that further pushes Joelinton, Willock, Longstaff, Anderson and Miley to some extent down the order. while all are conceivable I really haven’t a clue how we will do it long term, but I trust the recruitment team so much that I don’t even care what direction they go. Howe always seems to be for evolution and change year over year and Ashworth seems to be very meticulous in his succession planning (by evidence of this summer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 hours ago, The Prophet said: Aye. It seems Howe wants three all rounders in there. Can already see what we're trying to do with them interchanging and one sitting deep while the other bomb on. The variations in their style means they all offer something slightly different in the final third too. In a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now