NUFC Transfer Rumours

[The College Dropout]

41 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Aye, I just wasn't sure if they were included as part of the PSR calc. 

 

It feels like there's a lot of clubs that are going to be knackered by this.

Wages are part of PSR calc but it's a simple calc. e.g. the wages over the accounting period.

 

So Isak is £10m in amortisation cost and c. £5-8m in wages and bonuses. A total of £15-18m per year.

[nufcjmc]

18 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Didn’t say they were. But negativity around the club is a bit unnecessary, given they don’t make the rules and they’re trying to run the club properly. 

 

 

 

I can understand negativity even if it may appear the clubs hands are tied. Not announcing a new training kit sponsor, training ground sponsor or club stadium name/ partnership seems like to an idiot like me "easy wins" to help inflated the coffers. 

 

The main reason for my own negative outlook is  what has come before it if we sign no one that's no new 1st teamers in 3 windows. At times we look in need of better quality and quality depth and added to the mix the number out of contract or only getting 1 year deals mean it's a perfect storm to be negative.

 

If we had of spent in the summer and that meant we did nothing in Jan as its a bad window and not good value and we trust in the squad we have that's fine. However we didn't and I had hoped despite not being good with numbers that if we found ourselves struggling or that we had the chance to do well and in both cases new signings would make the difference we would

 

Sell to buy has turned into sell to consolidate to look at the summer. 

 

I don't know the right course of action or all the facts but sticking with what we have is a gamble going to know if thats the correct call at the end of the season I guess. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by nufcjmc

[TRon]

21 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Didn’t say they were. But negativity around the club is a bit unnecessary, given they don’t make the rules and they’re trying to run the club properly. 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the negativity is aimed at the club, most people are savvy enough to realise our hands are tied somewhat. The negativity is more aimed at the FFP/PSR shackles which have been imposed since the takeover.

[kingxlnc]

Anyone can see that the team desperately needs fresh blood, an injection or impetus from somewhere. The Papiss Cisse effect - could actually be the difference between 7th and 4th and even winning the Carabao. 

Keeps the team pumped, on their toes, hungry and motivated to achieve as they believe they are being supported fully to achieve the goals set out. 

If Isak is out - the team's chance of success in that fixutre diminish by a good 40%. He is the one player we do not have adequate back up for right now. 

Most other areas, we can do a job. It used to be Bruno also, but Tonali can cover for him now. 

 

Getting a Mbuemo or someone of that ilk is extremely important for this season. Even if someone like Gordon or Botman has to be sold in the summer. (Would prefer to keep Bruno, Isak and Tonali as purples for now). The other two are more replaceable.  

 

[kingxlnc]

It's extremely annoying that Man City, in one window have picked up ALL the young CB's we were looking at - Khusanov, Juma Bah and Victor Reis. That's proper FM hoarding tactics. 

Between Chelsea and Man City - how is anyone supposed to compete for any young player? The numbers are eye watering - Khusanov was bought for £84,000 - was linked with us for under £20m but went for £34m. We bought Botman for that - who was much more developed.

It used to be you could buy 5 or 6 PL players in a summer - top end was £10-15m. Even the summer we bought Mitrovic and Wijnaldum, we spent £80m or so but 4 or 5 top class young players. 

Now - £80m gets you 1, maybe 2 players at the most. 

You're not actually allowed to rebuild your team at the right level. It doesn't even make sense. 

 

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

It's extremely annoying that Man City, in one window have picked up ALL the young CB's we were looking at - Khusanov, Juma Bah and Victor Reis. That's proper FM hoarding tactics. 

Between Chelsea and Man City - how is anyone supposed to compete for any young player? The numbers are eye watering - Khusanov was bought for £84,000 - was linked with us for under £20m but went for £34m. We bought Botman for that - who was much more developed.

It used to be you could buy 5 or 6 PL players in a summer - top end was £10-15m. Even the summer we bought Mitrovic and Wijnaldum, we spent £80m or so but 4 or 5 top class young players. 

Now - £80m gets you 1, maybe 2 players at the most. 

You're not actually allowed to rebuild your team at the right level. It doesn't even make sense. 

 

 

 

Who was the one responsible for picking up Khusanov for £84,000? Maybe he's the one we should have headhunted instead of Mitchell.

[mighty__mag]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

Even if we do, as you've said yourself, loads of teams from Europe are entering the same market for the same reasons. Instead of fighting over the top proven talent, we will be fighting over the top unproven prospects who will hopefully be ready after a year or so prep. Not exactly spine tingling stuff.

 

We're in a position now to be more persuasive than those clubs, hence why we're now beating clubs like Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd to talents. 

 

We are in a better position than previous, to offer better contracts to youths.

 

Still feel although you obviously disagree, it's a strong market, or seems to appear to be.

[SUPERTOON]

45 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Anyone can see that the team desperately needs fresh blood, an injection or impetus from somewhere. The Papiss Cisse effect - could actually be the difference between 7th and 4th and even winning the Carabao. 

Keeps the team pumped, on their toes, hungry and motivated to achieve as they believe they are being supported fully to achieve the goals set out. 

If Isak is out - the team's chance of success in that fixutre diminish by a good 40%. He is the one player we do not have adequate back up for right now. 

Most other areas, we can do a job. It used to be Bruno also, but Tonali can cover for him now. 

 

Getting a Mbuemo or someone of that ilk is extremely important for this season. Even if someone like Gordon or Botman has to be sold in the summer. (Would prefer to keep Bruno, Isak and Tonali as purples for now). The other two are more replaceable.  

 

It’s not as simple as that though. If we did indeed buy Mbuemo or someone of that quality, we would need to sell before the next PSR deadline in June or risk a points deduction. It’s all well and good saying we have to sell a purple (I don’t necessarily disagree), but when we do, we need to be in a position of maximum strength to obtain maximum value. Otherwise we will be taken advantage of like last summer.

[Turnbull2000]

Likely £10m for Almiron, £10m for Kelly and no incoming. Turning into an ambitious window that demonstrates our determination to avoid points deductions

 

Praying Villa and Forest don't strengthen. No point being concerned with City, Chelsea - we can't compete with them.

[TRon]

45 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

We're in a position now to be more persuasive than those clubs, hence why we're now beating clubs like Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd to talents. 

 

We are in a better position than previous, to offer better contracts to youths.

 

Still feel although you obviously disagree, it's a strong market, or seems to appear to be.

 

 

Not sure we are in a position to be more persuasive that those clubs, but at least we are in a position to compete with them so agree on that part. I guess we wouldn't have even tried for a Lewis Hall or Livramento a few years back, certainly not paying in the £30-40m bracket. So yes, you have a point.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by TRon

[Paully]

PSR is utter wank, pass it on!

[kingxlnc]

Why don't we just go crazy for one summer. Do a PIF special - £500m. Kit out the team fully - everything needed. Even if there's a transfer embargo. 
Look to win the cups or CL the year after - even if we get a PL fine and points deductio, we can try and get Europe another way. 

It just feels frustrating that there is literally no movement and everything takes forever - even the sales. How do other clubs act so fast? 

[Mike]

1 minute ago, kingxlnc said:

Why don't we just go crazy for one summer. Do a PIF special - £500m. Kit out the team fully - everything needed. Even if there's a transfer embargo. 
Look to win the cups or CL the year after - even if we get a PL fine and points deductio, we can try and get Europe another way. 

It just feels frustrating that there is literally no movement and everything takes forever - even the sales. How do other clubs act so fast? 

 

I will never understand PSR but aren't we still pretty much paying an Ashley tax?

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 minute ago, kingxlnc said:

Why don't we just go crazy for one summer. Do a PIF special - £500m. Kit out the team fully - everything needed. Even if there's a transfer embargo. 
Look to win the cups or CL the year after - even if we get a PL fine and points deductio, we can try and get Europe another way. 

It just feels frustrating that there is literally no movement and everything takes forever - even the sales. How do other clubs act so fast? 

Because Everton were initially docked 8 points for going over by 16 million, if we spent as you’re suggesting we’d be bloody relegated man 🤦🏻 Everton only managed to get their deduction reduced on appeal because they were the first ones punished. Forest's points deduction was even more ridiculous, given that it was essentially only down to when they chose to sell a player for maximum profit.

 

if you think the punishments are going to ease off in future (without a rule change), then you’re naive. Unless you’re one of the "established" big 6 you’d be nailed to the wall for trying that shit.

 

[Keegans Export]

6 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Why don't we just go crazy for one summer. Do a PIF special - £500m. Kit out the team fully - everything needed. Even if there's a transfer embargo. 
Look to win the cups or CL the year after - even if we get a PL fine and points deductio, we can try and get Europe another way. 

It just feels frustrating that there is literally no movement and everything takes forever - even the sales. How do other clubs act so fast? 

They don't, you're just not following all their activity day-by-day on social media, online forums etc. The first we usually hear of a player being sold is when they are sold.

[LFEE]

3 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

So wages aren't included in amortisation?

 

3 hours ago, r0cafella said:

No, they aren't. Amortization is basically the cost of players transfer fees. 

Full disclaimer. No PSR expert. However I’m pretty sure player wages are part of PSR calculations. Kieran McGuire was asked the question about if it was beneficial clubs paying up players and managers contracts straightaway at a smaller overall amount to which the answer was no.

 

Just ignore me if confusing debate 

[kingxlnc]

12 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Because Everton were initially docked 8 points for going over by 16 million, if we spent as you’re suggesting we’d be bloody relegated man 🤦🏻 Everton only managed to get their deduction reduced on appeal because they were the first ones punished. Forest's points deduction was even more ridiculous, given that it was essentially only down to when they chose to sell a player for maximum profit.

 

if you think the punishments are going to ease off in future (without a rule change), then you’re naive. Unless you’re one of the "established" big 6 you’d be nailed to the wall for trying that shit.

 

Ahhh ok didn't realise that - I thought it was 10 points max as that's what the precedent had been. 

[nufcjmc]

4 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Ahhh ok didn't realise that - I thought it was 10 points max as that's what the precedent had been. 

The league wanted so many points per million breach think the panel did less then appeal got it reduced. Not sure how they would calculate a 100m or 200m breach. 

[80]

20 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 

Full disclaimer. No PSR expert. However I’m pretty sure player wages are part of PSR calculations. Kieran McGuire was asked the question about if it was beneficial clubs paying up players and managers contracts straightaway at a smaller overall amount to which the answer was no.

 

Just ignore me if confusing debate 

You're mixing up amortisation and PSR calculations 

 

Amortisation relates to transfer fees, wages are just wages. Those two separate things get added together when doing the PSR calculation.

[Coffee_Johnny]

55 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

The league wanted so many points per million breach think the panel did less then appeal got it reduced. Not sure how they would calculate a 100m or 200m breach. 

I guess 1 point per £20m isn’t on the table?? 

[McCormick]

Might as well merge this with the FFP/PSR thread for the foreseeable…

[The Prophet]

Southampton allegedly want £55 million for Dibling.

[LFEE]

His name can’t be real surely? 

 

 

[sempuki]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

His name can’t be real surely? 

 

 

Not a real journalist. What do they get out of nonsense like this?

[frankpingel]

1 minute ago, sempuki said:

Not a real journalist. What do they get out of nonsense like this?

Basically what just happened. Attention.