NUFC Transfer Rumours

[toon25]

Problem with our fullbacks is that they can't both stay fit for prolonged periods of time

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Just takes 4-5 top signings this summer to add to that and with one game a week, we could have a belting season. No reason we can't make those 4-5 quality additions either. 

Are you not familiar with how we do transfers? We will be lucky to get one or two quality additions. We had a lot of money and pissed most of it up the wall with Wissa and Elanga. Woltemade could go either way, Ramsey is debatable, but looks positive in general, Thiaw has been generally good, but has a bad tendency to concede penalties 

[lovejoy]

3 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Are you not familiar with how we do transfers? We will be lucky to get one or two quality additions. We had a lot of money and pissed most of it up the wall with Wissa and Elanga. Woltemade could go either way, Ramsey is debatable, but looks positive in general, Thiaw has been generally good, but has a bad tendency to concede penalties 

With proper structure, which we didn’t have last summer, I’m very familiar with how we do transfers.

 

pretty damn well tbh.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 07:29 by lovejoy

[NUFC91]

Hopefully we get a really good centre half in!

[Nucasol]

26 minutes ago, toon25 said:

Problem with our fullbacks is that they can't both stay fit for prolonged periods of time

They’ll be fine in a 40-50 game season if we get them back up. Going into near 60 game season and continuing to rush them back into 90 minutes has been our fuck up.

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

With proper structure, which we didn’t have last summer, I’m very familiar with how we do transfers.

 

pretty damn well tbh.

 

 

 

I think you are being very optimistic if you believe we will get 4 or 5 quality transfers in. This structure is new, looks capable of getting sales done effectively, we've not seen how they deal with incoming. As for Hopkinson...theres nothing so far to suggest anything beyond hot air and soundbites. Yes theres been some impressive sounding speeches and press releases, but whats actually happened or achieved? Im sure theres been a lot of private background stuff, but here we are...an arguably weaker squad after selling the top scorer, no indication of incoming, a perpetually "imminent" stadium decision, no major sponsor, and to top it all a new kit that makes  children want to vomit 

 

[KaKa]

[AyeDubbleYoo]

15 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

I think you are being very optimistic if you believe we will get 4 or 5 quality transfers in. This structure is new, looks capable of getting sales done effectively, we've not seen how they deal with incoming. As for Hopkinson...theres nothing so far to suggest anything beyond hot air and soundbites. Yes theres been some impressive sounding speeches and press releases, but whats actually happened or achieved? Im sure theres been a lot of private background stuff, but here we are...an arguably weaker squad after selling the top scorer, no indication of incoming, a perpetually "imminent" stadium decision, no major sponsor, and to top it all a new kit that makes  children want to vomit 

 

I don’t know why I do this to myself. 

[lovejoy]

20 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

I think you are being very optimistic if you believe we will get 4 or 5 quality transfers in. This structure is new, looks capable of getting sales done effectively, we've not seen how they deal with incoming. As for Hopkinson...theres nothing so far to suggest anything beyond hot air and soundbites. Yes theres been some impressive sounding speeches and press releases, but whats actually happened or achieved? Im sure theres been a lot of private background stuff, but here we are...an arguably weaker squad after selling the top scorer, no indication of incoming, a perpetually "imminent" stadium decision, no major sponsor, and to top it all a new kit that makes  children want to vomit 

 

I didn’t say we’d get 4-5 in, but I’d go back to bed if I was you mate.

 

The sky is falling in again.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 08:06 by lovejoy

[lovejoy]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t know why I do this to myself. 

A prime example of what I was saying in the other thread.

 

Sky is falling in merchants everywhere. It’s incredible, really.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

A prime example of what I was saying in the other thread.

 

Sky is falling in merchants everywhere. It’s incredible, really.

 

Try Twitter, it's a Chicken Little sess pit

[lovejoy]

Just now, Ben said:

 

Try Twitter, it's a Chicken Little sess pit

I came off there for that exact reason. E-mag lunatics en masse.

[Shearergol]

28 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

I think you are being very optimistic if you believe we will get 4 or 5 quality transfers in. This structure is new, looks capable of getting sales done effectively, we've not seen how they deal with incoming. As for Hopkinson...theres nothing so far to suggest anything beyond hot air and soundbites. Yes theres been some impressive sounding speeches and press releases, but whats actually happened or achieved? Im sure theres been a lot of private background stuff, but here we are...an arguably weaker squad after selling the top scorer, no indication of incoming, a perpetually "imminent" stadium decision, no major sponsor, and to top it all a new kit that makes  children want to vomit 

 

Everything is bad forever 

[Mattoon]

It's mental the recency bias people latch on to, one poor transfer window under extreme circumstances, both in personnel and player issues followed by a completely predictably bad season, even the club thoroughly expected it, and all of a sudden Howe is worse than Bruce and the transfer team consists of Mo, Larry and Curly. Trauma junkies.

[Mole]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

I think Sandro stays tbh, 

Fair, I think it's one of those things which could go in either direction and I am relaxed about it provided the incomings are actually good.

[nufcjmc]

3 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

It's mental the recency bias people latch on to, one poor transfer window under extreme circumstances, both in personnel and player issues followed by a completely predictably bad season, even the club thoroughly expected it, and all of a sudden Howe is worse than Bruce and the transfer team consists of Mo, Larry and Curly. Trauma junkies.

Not wanting to side one way or another on the negativity nelly debate but some of the obvious criticism seem to be more around.

 

The main "splurge" money has now gone so it's not like we can simply drop another 200m and pretend the summer gone didn't happen. This does massively impact this summer and our ability to spend the season ending in no Europe also could dent our projects pulling power. 

 

The main signings we know for various reasons haven't worked are too expensive to simply discard.

 

While the context of the summer window cannot be down played having no upper management essentially and people stepping into roles due to nessecity. The staff that were here to oversee the summer talent ID last year still are here.  We have had no sacking from the poor recruitment of last summer essentially. 

 

I want to judge this current setup on this window and give them a chance but I don't have anything against those concerned or a little dubious it's going to be somehow straight back on track unearthing the next bruno or first season botman (appreciate your not saying that either by the way).

[Mole]

12 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

It's mental the recency bias people latch on to, one poor transfer window under extreme circumstances, both in personnel and player issues followed by a completely predictably bad season, even the club thoroughly expected it, and all of a sudden Howe is worse than Bruce and the transfer team consists of Mo, Larry and Curly. Trauma junkies.

Also regarding Hopkinson and Wilson, they haven't really given you a reason to be hugely negative or positive yet. So I don't really get either being on either extreme. Just sit back and wait to see what happens because nothing has given anyone a reason to feel any type of way yet.

[Drewboy74]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

I think you are being very optimistic if you believe we will get 4 or 5 quality transfers in. This structure is new, looks capable of getting sales done effectively, we've not seen how they deal with incoming. As for Hopkinson...theres nothing so far to suggest anything beyond hot air and soundbites. Yes theres been some impressive sounding speeches and press releases, but whats actually happened or achieved? Im sure theres been a lot of private background stuff, but here we are...an arguably weaker squad after selling the top scorer, no indication of incoming, a perpetually "imminent" stadium decision, no major sponsor, and to top it all a new kit that makes  children want to vomit 

 

And...

[Mattoon]

3 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Not wanting to side one way or another on the negativity nelly debate but some of the obvious criticism seem to be more around.

 

The main "splurge" money has now gone so it's not like we can simply drop another 200m and pretend the summer gone didn't happen. This does massively impact this summer and our ability to spend the season ending in no Europe also could dent our projects pulling power. 

 

The main signings we know for various reasons haven't worked are too expensive to simply discard.

 

While the context of the summer window cannot be down played having no upper management essentially and people stepping into roles due to nessecity. The staff that were here to oversee the summer talent ID last year still are here.  We have had no sacking from the poor recruitment of last summer essentially. 

 

I want to judge this current setup on this window and give them a chance but I don't have anything against those concerned or a little dubious it's going to be somehow straight back on track unearthing the next bruno or first season botman (appreciate your not saying that either by the way).

 

This same transfer team that has had more hits than misses, last summer was horrific because it happened at a time we could actually finally spend, but without someone of Wilson's ilk it became an unorganised mess of panic buying and although his role doesn't change who we try and buy, it makes a huge difference in how we try and buy. Judge this current set up on what it has done to now with leadership and direction and not just on what it did last, rudderless.

[Ikon]

I'm pretty sure those that were mostly responsible for last summers window won't be the ones with even near as much say in this coming summer window, and rightly so. It remains to be seen what happens now. Im cautiously optimistic this time based on not much more than my gut feeling. Good or not, I don't see it being the same people with as much power when it comes to picking our targets. Can't go much worse. Im pretty certain that we will go down the route I want us to. Hopefully we will get the right players too. I'm sure some won't be very very successful, but there's a few attributes that I see as non negotiable, and that is high technical ability to name one. It's 100% a must for me whoever we decide to go for. 

[nufcjmc]

3 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

 

This same transfer team that has had more hits than misses, last summer was horrific because it happened at a time we could actually finally spend, but without someone of Wilson's ilk it became an unorganised mess of panic buying and although his role doesn't change who we try and buy, it makes a huge difference in how we try and buy. Judge this current set up on what it has done to now with leadership and direction and not just on what it did last, rudderless.

I dont disagree and feel we both saying give the current setup a chance there are some good eggs in there just in a different way.

 

Elanga was a 2 season pursuit rather than a panic buy mind but yes our recruitment in the take over era has been largely hit filled. Even the signings we miss out on or get linked with but don't sign I don't often hear myself say we dodged a bullet with that one. 

 

It's all what iffery now had a senior team been in place and gotten some of our targets higher up the list then this may have been a different end of season narrative entirely. However other than big nick which according to craig no hope was never on any 1st or 2nd draft recruitment list they were all on a target list so it shows that our setup can make missteps like any other club. Trouble is now thanks to last summer we cant afford any more misses. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

19 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Not wanting to side one way or another on the negativity nelly debate but some of the obvious criticism seem to be more around.

 

The main "splurge" money has now gone so it's not like we can simply drop another 200m and pretend the summer gone didn't happen. This does massively impact this summer and our ability to spend the season ending in no Europe also could dent our projects pulling power. 

 

The main signings we know for various reasons haven't worked are too expensive to simply discard.

 

While the context of the summer window cannot be down played having no upper management essentially and people stepping into roles due to nessecity. The staff that were here to oversee the summer talent ID last year still are here.  We have had no sacking from the poor recruitment of last summer essentially. 

 

I want to judge this current setup on this window and give them a chance but I don't have anything against those concerned or a little dubious it's going to be somehow straight back on track unearthing the next bruno or first season botman (appreciate your not saying that either by the way).

 

Dent it in what way? We had players falling over themselves to sign for anyone but us when we were in the CL.

[Chicken Dancer]

36 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

predictably bad season, even the club thoroughly expected

Apologies if I’m reading your post wrong but you honestly think the club expected to lose 17 games last season?

 

Not being a prick btw just genuinely curious if you believe that. I find it very hard to believe they expected us to be that bad. 

[Zero]

I will reserve my judgement till September when all the incomings are here and played a few matches. Too much uncertainties this summer

[Mattoon]

Just now, Chicken Dancer said:

Apologies if I’m reading your post wrong but you honestly think the club expected to lose 17 games last season?

 

Not being a prick btw just genuinely curious if you believe that. I find it very hard to believe they expected us to be that bad. 

 

I mean specifically saying "the club expected to lose 17 games last season?" is a little bit on the prick side, yeah. But if you read the Athletic piece then yes, the club expected last season to be a real struggle and knew they were putting Howe in the firing line.