Beth Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Just now, mighty__mag said: He won't He'll be peak value then and we're hamstrung by FFP. Do you honestly think we can fund future big money transfers without selling at least one prize asset to comply with the rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, KaKa said: BT Sport and now Discovery cover the Portuguese league and show a bunch of Porto, Sporting and Benfica games. Don't know why some of you continuously act as if it is so difficult to watch football nowadays. We were being linked with Nunez a bunch that season he broke out and I was watching them loads mostly because of that. The following season we started being linked with Ramos too. Most of the football I ultimately watch from other leagues will either be because of a Nigerian player I want to see more of, or to watch players we've been linked with that I I want to see. It's not rocket science. But you do this with lots of players you think we should sign? Acting like you've done some sort of intensive scouting Do you really mean you play a lot of Football Manager and watch plenty of YouTube clips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, mighty__mag said: But you do this with lots of players you think we should sign? Acting like you've done some sort of intensive scouting Do you really mean you play a lot of Football Manager and watch plenty of YouTube clips. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Beth said: He'll be peak value then and we're hamstrung by FFP. Do you honestly think we can fund future big money transfers without selling at least one prize asset to comply with the rules? I trust the owners, I don't think they'd completely undo their laces and let the shoes fall off. They're not daft enough to know the hurt it would cause, I'm confident they'd persue or find an alternative method. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: But you do this with lots of players you think we should sign? Acting like you've done some sort of intensive scouting Do you really mean you play a lot of Football Manager and watch plenty of YouTube clips. Seems to me like you're projecting what you do tbh. If you don't enjoy the sport or are into analysing it to the same extent it's no big deal. Not necessary to be so insecure about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, Ikon said: Ah, we have another that is rattled by a simple breakdown of a strikers play style I didn't even say anything ground breaking in my post! Are you lot really that basic?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 If there are still people ignoring the fact that the ownership have been signalling all season that we're going to need to sell one of the big boys, likely Bruno, to help advance to the next stage of the project then I worry for them come the Summer. Someone is going to go, it's that or the Summer window won't be as big as people are expecting/hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: If there are still people ignoring the fact that the ownership have been signalling all season that we're going to need to sell one of the big boys, likely Bruno, to help advance to the next stage of the project then I worry for them come the Summer. Someone is going to go, it's that or the Summer window won't be as big as people are expecting/hoping. They haven’t been signaling they need to sell one of the big boys. They will need to sell. Likely someone regularly playing in the squad. Even EH clarified this when asked. I’d say most vulnerable is Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff and a bit more left of field Burn. If we sell one of Bruno, Isack or Botman this summer I will apologise. I think the signalling is more to soften the blow when they announce they need to move to a new stadium and also put pressure on the current rules by keeping it in the media’s attention IMO. Edited January 17 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Ah, we have another that is rattled by a simple breakdown of a strikers play style I didn't even say anything ground breaking in my post! Are you lot really that basic?! Relax, I was just laughing at his joke or whatever it was I haven’t really read much of what the two of you have written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Just now, KaKa said: Seems to me like you're projecting what you do tbh. If you don't enjoy the sport or are into analysing it to the same extent it's no big deal. Not necessary to be so insecure about it. Stop trying to put a spin on what you actually do. Sorry I pointed it out, but you do it a lot. No need to get upset sunshine. KaKa Super scout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Sky need to ditch this Flex, and get KaKa. The KaKa knowledge base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Stop trying to put a spin on what you actually do. Sorry I pointed it out, but you do it a lot. No need to get upset sunshine. KaKa Super scout You're completely free to believe what you want man. No need to apologize either, because I'm not making these posts to impress you or anyone else. If something comes about a player I am familiar with I post. If you think that's based on FM and YouTube more power to you. Genuinely baffled you're even comparing my posts to some sort of scouting report! Maybe I should take that as a compliment You say I do it a lot, but do I really, or do you just get rattled everytime I comment on a player? I saw the links to Emerson from Atalanta recently, who I don't really know that well so didn't comment. Find this whole thing so strange! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 21 minutes ago, LFEE said: They haven’t been signaling they need to sell one of the big boys. They will need to sell. Likely someone regularly playing in the squad. Even EH clarified this when asked. I’d say most vulnerable is Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff and a bit more left of field Burn. If we sell one of Bruno, Isack or Botman this summer I will apologise. I think the signalling is more to soften the blow when they announce they need to move to a new stadium and also put pressure on the current rules by keeping it in the media’s attention IMO. Trippier to Saudi as well, we already have his replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KaKa said: You're completely free to believe what you want man. No need to apologize either, because I'm not making these posts to impress you or anyone else. If something comes about a player I am familiar with I post. If you think that's based on FM and YouTube more power to you. Genuinely baffled you're even comparing my posts to some sort of scouting report! Maybe I should take that as a compliment You say I do it a lot, but do I really, or do you just get rattled everytime I comment on a player? I saw the links to Emerson from Atalanta recently, who I don't really know that well so didn't comment. Find this whole thing so strange! Yeah you do, it was a bit of constructive criticism, but just maybe tone down the bollox you talk. 😉 Edited January 17 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 18 minutes ago, LFEE said: They haven’t been signaling they need to sell one of the big boys. They will need to sell. Likely someone regularly playing in the squad. Even EH clarified this when asked. I’d say most vulnerable is Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff and a bit more left of field Burn. If we sell one of Bruno, Isack or Botman this summer I will apologise. I think the signalling is more to soften the blow when they announce they need to move to a new stadium and also put pressure on the current rules by keeping it in the media’s attention IMO. Come on though, realitically what would we get for the players you mention. Wilson, almost 32 and always misses half a season through injury. Almiron, about to turn 30 and hardly a world beater. Longstaff, nice local lad but limited. You're looking at about £50m combined if you're lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Yeah you do, it was a bit of constructive criticism, but just maybe tone down the bollox you talk. 😉 No! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I continue to be puzzled by this narrative. Why do we have to sell one of our best players to “advance to the next stage of the project?” If we sell Bruno for 50m and buy his replacement for 50m how is that helping anything with regards to FFP? Why not just keep the good players we have and spend what we can instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, oldtype said: I continue to be puzzled by this narrative. Why do we have to sell one of our best players to “advance to the next stage of the project?” If we sell Bruno for 50m and buy his replacement for 50m how is that helping anything with regards to FFP? Why not just keep the good players we have and spend what we can instead? It would be a lot more than 50m, but say it is. You sell Bruno for 50, then subtract whatever amount of his original fee was still left to amortised, to keep it simple let's say that's 10m. So you have 40m plus on the book. Anyone you buy you amortise their fee over the length of their 5 year contracts. You could in theory buy 4 50m players, and the cost on the books for that year would only be 40m. 10m for each player, with the rest being amortised over the course of their 5 year contracts (10m per year per player). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oldtype said: I continue to be puzzled by this narrative. Why do we have to sell one of our best players to “advance to the next stage of the project?” If we sell Bruno for 50m and buy his replacement for 50m how is that helping anything with regards to FFP? Why not just keep the good players we have and spend what we can instead? I think because if you sell the player for the cash up front, you can spread the replacement across five years, and that has an accounting impact. So selling Bruno for £50m, you could sign 3x £50m players on three year contracts. Or something to that effect. It's nonsense. Edit: @sushimonster85 explained it better above. Edited January 17 by ChrisMcQuillan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, Beth said: Come on though, realitically what would we get for the players you mention. Wilson, almost 32 and always misses half a season through injury. Almiron, about to turn 30 and hardly a world beater. Longstaff, nice local lad but limited. You're looking at about £50m combined if you're lucky. So based on that its £50m coming in without damaging the first team. Rather that than selling Big Joe for £60m or Bruno for £100m and needing to replace them as well as improving the rest of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 We really need to win a few games, don’t we?! For the sanity of this place more than anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 43 minutes ago, LFEE said: They haven’t been signaling they need to sell one of the big boys. They will need to sell. Likely someone regularly playing in the squad. Even EH clarified this when asked. I’d say most vulnerable is Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff and a bit more left of field Burn. If we sell one of Bruno, Isack or Botman this summer I will apologise. I think the signalling is more to soften the blow when they announce they need to move to a new stadium and also put pressure on the current rules by keeping it in the media’s attention IMO. What happens when there's barely any money to be raised from selling them? Personally, I don't think you raise any more than £20-25m combined for Almiron & Longstaff. Eales used selling the £50m player for a reason. I do think they are soft-launching the idea of selling one of our better players eventually. I don't think that guarantees a sale in the summer. I do think qualifying for Europe is massive though. Edited January 17 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 There's definetly seems to be a lot of subtext in the statements of our executives. It could be preparing the fans for a player sale, it was similar rhetoric before ASM moved to Saudi. It could be keeping the PL under the cosh with the anti-FFP headlines. It could be both. We don't need to sell anyone though, it really depends how much summer business we want to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, jackflap said: Yeah problem is City are able to bully teams into selling players for below market value because they're such a draw. They're never involved in bidding wars, the player will make it clear they want to move there and the selling team will have no option but to do business at City's price or risk keeping hold of a player who ends up downing tools. They pretty much have the system gamed at this stage. Levy’s a dick, but he’s useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 It's not the sell to buy logic I find frustrating as ffp is here and we know these owners put it all back in no ashley style sell for x and buy someone for 10% of it. However the annoying this is you say goodbye to bruno or botman who have and do make a difference when you still have others you would rather escort out the door first. For me that includes longstaff and Co. However I know they aren't worth much or no one wants them for a fee just a loan which ultimately doesn't help the ffp issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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