NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Collage]

58 minutes ago, KaKa said:

With some of the stuff I've been reading I think it will be very disappointing if we can't make something happen in January to give the team a jolt.

 

I already mentioned Tomori being ready to come back to England, and AC Milan apparently being ready to accommodate that as the new manager has him out of the first team currently. They are looking for £25 million.

 

Also at AC Milan, they are making Chukwueze available for £20 million, and he could be available on an initial loan too. Pulisic has made the right wing his and is limiting his opportunities, and they think he's too valuable to be kept on the bench.

 

Chukwueze is very much a Premier League player. If we have shown interest in the likes of Mbeumo and Madueke, he's very much in that mould and type of player. Worst case scenario getting a loan deal done at least, if nothing else is possible, should be looked at.

 

Looks like there will be deals available. I really hope we can do something.

Tomori for £25m, yes please. Makes the Guehi fee look even sillier. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Collage

[Geordie_once_removed]

7 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Kevin Zenon, release clause seems fairly low rumoured 17m.

 

Plays multiple positions. 

Sounds like a Bond villain. Sign him up.

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, cubaricho said:

About? And just because you can’t think of any doesn’t mean it’s actually true.  
 

This board really needs to stop spouting opinions as cold hard facts. 

 

 

 

77.7%

 

No, there is no other club that has bought as many British based players than us.

 

Even when we go shopping in the championship where other clubs are picking up promising youngsters we come away with John Ruddy.

[Kaizero]

2 hours ago, STM said:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

 

Wouldn't call Targett a "failure" given his reported price tag and the reasoning for bringing him in. He did what he came to do and has provided alright cover since then. I'd not class him as a transfer "success" as he didn't outperform expectations, but calling him a "failure" I find a bit harsh given that he did what was asked of him and didn't underperform, all whilst not costing an insane amount to sign in the first place.

 

Wood was, and is, a weird one. The price tag was horrid, but if I was to rate the transfer as a whole and thus include what we recouped from him - I'd say it was £8m well spent. Not a transfer "success" but not really a "failure" either. 

 

Burn has outperformed the fee we paid for him, so he's absolutely a "success" transfer. Same with Pope. Gordon hasn't outperformed his transfer fee in my eyes, but hasn't underperformed either - so I'd rate his transfer (at the moment) on par with the Targett and Wood transfers. Hall and Tino I feel have so far underperformed their transfer fees, regardless of the faith I have in them for the future. I'd feel wrong to rate them as "failures" at the moment though, even with what I said was my opinion on the transfers currently, as you gotta account for future potential as well. 

 

Instead, I'd just include a third option, "Okay", in addition to "Failure" and "Success". That would make my review of the same list look like this:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Okay

Wood 25m = Okay

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Okay

Hall 35m = Okay

Tino 35m = Okay

Osula 10m = TBC

 

So two "successes" and five "okays" out of seven transfers total. I'd say that equals a very decent transfer record. (Osula can't be anything other than TBC at this point).

[Holmesy]

The PL targeting thing isn’t just based on players we’ve signed, it’s also the players we have clearly had an interest in given the persistent links - Guehi, Elanga, Mbuemo, Calvert-Lewin, Gallagher etc.

 

How many persistent links have we had to players outside of this league in the past couple of seasons?

 

 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Holmesy

[Mikky]

8 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Kevin Zenon, release clause seems fairly low rumoured 17m.

 

Plays multiple positions. 

 

Thia is the profile we need - on a free in the summer 

[54]

Its bullshit, but its a rumour:

 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2024/12/11/andreas-christensen-transfer-newcastle/

[HaydnNUFC]

54 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The PL targeting thing isn’t just based on players we’ve signed, it’s also the players we have clearly had an interest in given the persistent links - Guehi, Elanga, Mbuemo, Calvert-Lewin, Gallagher etc.

 

How many persistent links have we had to players outside of this league in the past couple of seasons?

 

 

 

 

The only remotely reliable ones we've had off the top of my head are Thiaw and that total nonstarter of Tapsoba in the summer just gone and Bakayoko yesterday. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2024 by HaydnNUFC

[Holmesy]

18 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

The only remotely reliable ones we've had off the top of my head are Thiaw and that total nonstarter of Tapsoba in the summer just gone and Bakayoko yesterday. 

 

 

 

Theyre the only ones I can recall as well, and they were nowhere as persistent as the PL links. Whether that’s down to more concentrated agent chatter in the UK, who knows but there definitely seems to be something in this ‘PL preference’ thing. 

[nufc123]

Need a RW, CB and ST in 2025.

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

77.7%

 

No, there is no other club that has bought as many British based players than us.

 

Even when we go shopping in the championship where other clubs are picking up promising youngsters we come away with John Ruddy.

Not sure how you've worked that one out mind.

 

Even including technically relegated teams as PL teams (you originally said PL players rather than British based) it's 12 out of 21, which is 57%.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Colos Short and Curlies]

5 hours ago, STM said:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

were Barnes, Vlad and Kelly missed off for any reason?

 

it’s also only half the story putting hit or miss against them, the real question is whether there is the same output for less cash if you went abroad.

 

you’re really looking at the Barnes and Gordon transfers for that, the other fees are pretty low and what you’d likely pay abroad anyway 

[KaKa]

2 hours ago, 54 said:

Its bullshit, but its a rumour:

 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2024/12/11/andreas-christensen-transfer-newcastle/

 

Still just 28 years old. Surprised by that.

 

Between Tomori and Christensen we have two options that can come in straight away and improve our back line and go on to partner Botman over the next 5 years.

 

Paying around £25 million for either would be great business.

[r0cafella]

8 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

The justified and prevailing complaint is that the sensitivity is so much greater in our case than others because of the bullshit, anti-competitive rules. In a couple of windows, Chelsea can blow £250m and God knows what wages on a few players who've already demonstrated their quality in this league, and it's no bother at all, whether or not those transfers work out. We do the same and suddenly it's "stop whinging, you made your choices"? Horseshit. 

 

PL players are appealing because their chances of success are more guaranteed; buying from abroad - although it can be cheaper up front, is riskier. Why should only a small number of teams have unfettered and consequence-free access to the lower-risk market?

Yorkie, as I'm sure you know I'm in no way advocating for these stupid rules. I've been one of the loudest and most consistent critiques of them. 

 

I don't think this detracts from my point however, in order to work around these currant rules we have to be ruthless at all levels and trade aggressively, we need too notch scouting and can't afford to be "lazy' with our targets. 

 

When it comes to Elanga in particular it's especially frustrating as forest paid 15m for him 18 months ago we simply can't afford to be bag holders here. If we wanted him we should have bought him then. 

 

A quick note on PSR, luckily for me @The College Dropouthas taken up my drum and is not posting Relentlessly about it so I don't have to

 

But what is clear is our revenue isn't high enough not growing quick enough, I'm well aware of the 50% YOY growth we hear from Silverstone but sadly our revenue in isolation isn't very relevant what matters is the gap to those above us and if this isn't closing we are obviously falling further and further behind. 

 

On a more general note if the club has a plan to catch up I'm either not paying enough attention or a credible one doesn't exist. 

[duo]

Surely we will be looking at getting another striker in Jan 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

Still just 28 years old. Surprised by that.

 

Between Tomori and Christensen we have two options that can come in straight away and improve our back line and go on to partner Botman over the next 5 years.

 

Paying around £25 million for either would be great business.

Christensen will be on mega bucks. And is injury prone iirc.  
 

@r0cafella the club have a grand plan they just haven’t told us yet or actioned it but it 100% exists. Just waiting for other clubs to finish fighting our stealth war. The pawns.  

[r0cafella]

20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Christensen will be on mega bucks. And is injury prone iirc.  
 

@r0cafella the club have a grand plan they just haven’t told us yet or actioned it but it 100% exists. Just waiting for other clubs to finish fighting our stealth war. The pawns.  

I'm not THAT cynical, I do believe they want to win things I just think they are struggling to navigate PSR and instead of being bold and confident we have decided to complain about PSR at every opportunity instead. 

 

If everyone believes it's not possible to break the class ceiling we are pretty screwed mind.

[mighty__mag]

6 hours ago, KaKa said:

With some of the stuff I've been reading I think it will be very disappointing if we can't make something happen in January to give the team a jolt.

 

I already mentioned Tomori being ready to come back to England, and AC Milan apparently being ready to accommodate that as the new manager has him out of the first team currently. They are looking for £25 million.

 

Also at AC Milan, they are making Chukwueze available for £20 million, and he could be available on an initial loan too. Pulisic has made the right wing his and is limiting his opportunities, and they think he's too valuable to be kept on the bench.

 

Chukwueze is very much a Premier League player. If we have shown interest in the likes of Mbeumo and Madueke, he's very much in that mould and type of player. Worst case scenario getting a loan deal done at least, if nothing else is possible, should be looked at.

 

Looks like there will be deals available. I really hope we can do something.

 

 

I'm a bit lost that a player of Tomori's quality would be available for 20m KaKa, surely not?

 

 

[KaKa]

33 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

 

I'm a bit lost that a player of Tomori's quality would be available for 20m KaKa, surely not?

 

 

 

£25 million is what is being reported consistently. Just going off that really.

[mighty__mag]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

£25 million is what is being reported consistently. Just going off that really.

 

Would be a steal, no brainer for me.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Christensen will be on mega bucks. And is injury prone iirc.  

 

Tomori it is then! 

 

Not injury prone. And his Milan wages are around 80k a week.

[r0cafella]

28 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Tomori it is then! 

 

Not injury prone. And his Milan wages are around 80k a week.

27 in few days, we probably need a younger profile to be honest. Unfortunately we need to sign players with an eye on resale value we need to be consistently evolving the squad if we want to navigate PSR. 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

27 in few days, we probably need a younger profile to be honest. Unfortunately we need to sign players with an eye on resale value we need to be consistently evolving the squad if we want to navigate PSR. 

 

Not every single player is bought to eventually be sold at profit. 

 

If we still want to be competitive there has to be a balance.

 

If we can get a high calibre player for the first team for a great fee and a wage that is within what we pay we have to take advantage of that when we can.

 

5 year deal to get him in his prime years as a defender. That's a yes for me!

[r0cafella]

18 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Not every single player is bought to eventually be sold at profit. 

 

If we still want to be competitive there has to be a balance.

 

If we can get a high calibre player for the first team for a great fee and a wage that is within what we pay we have to take advantage of that when we can.

 

5 year deal to get him in his prime years as a defender. That's a yes for me!

I think it's crucial we sign players who can be resold personally. We already have a squad full of players with no resale value. 

 

Let's not speedrun the Man united time line. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

38 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think it's crucial we sign players who can be resold personally. We already have a squad full of players with no resale value. 

 

Let's not speedrun the Man united time line. 

Id compromise with our keeper and centre backs where experience is key.

 

younger players who can develop and potentially sold in all other areas.