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[The College Dropout]

10 minutes ago, Rod said:

Gordon is excellent as is Martinelli.

Martinelli’s a couple levels below Saka. Gordon’s a couple levels below Palmer. Any Liverpool LW is a level below Salah. Bowen vs Son is close. Mbeumo over any City winger.  Olise over Eze.  Amad over Rashford and Garnacho this season.

 

I like Gordon more than Martinelli. I said it early last season that Gordon would outscore Martinelli. Head down dribbler.  I also had Barnes out scoring Rashford this season. 

[BergenMagpie]

Cant see anyone paying 50m for Dibling in the summer - especially if Soton goes down. 25-35 would be more likely

[The College Dropout]

Did a Quick Look and Arsenal fans seem to rate Martinelli less than I do. They want him out. 
 

Arsenal fans seem to have a general frustration at a lack of ballers.  Their reminiscing about the Wilshere, Nasri and Fabregas era  top ballers tbf but just funny to me as that’s like the 5th best Arsenal side of my lifetime 

[KaKa]

The slow build up and progression forward that then allows for defences to settle into low blocks causes wingers that aren't top notch to really suffer.

 

The likes of Martinelli, Doku and Savio are all struggling due to the attacking approach at Arsenal and Man City.

 

Stick any of those in our side and they would all look very different. 

 

Even the likes of Murphy and Almiron have had their moments in our setup.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, BergenMagpie said:

Cant see anyone paying 50m for Dibling in the summer - especially if Soton goes down. 25-35 would be more likely

Do they have PSR issues? Or is his contract up? Dibling could earn them that money getting them back up next season. 
 

Why would they sell him for less than they sold Tino?

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

The slow build up and progression forward that then allows for defences to settle into low blocks causes wingers that aren't top notch to really suffer.

 

The likes of Martinelli, Doku and Savio are all struggling due to the attacking approach at Arsenal and Man City.

 

Stick any of those in our side and they would all look very different. 

 

Even the likes of Murphy and Almiron have had their moments in our setup.

Agreed. But likewise they are inferior to the Saka’s and Mahrez’s. Their ability just isn’t there.  It’s that gap between Gordon and Isak. If Gordon and Martinelli are excellent, what is Isak?
 

Their movement isn’t that good either. Sterling was excellent and getting into tap in positions against a low block.  I prefer Gordon’s tenacity and box instincts. 

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed. But likewise they are inferior to the Saka’s and Mahrez’s. Their ability just isn’t there.  It’s that gap between Gordon and Isak. If Gordon and Martinelli are excellent, what is Isak?
 

Their movement isn’t that good either. Sterling was excellent and getting into tap in positions against a low block.  I prefer Gordon’s tenacity and box instincts. 

 

Yup.

 

Saka and Mahrez are top tier and are the sort that work best for Arteta and Pep. They are great in tight spaces and are precision finishers and passes/crossers.

 

Sterling was also great at Man City due to his movement off the ball.

 

I think it's quite difficult finding players that will perform in that setup.

 

Salah and Palmer would. Not sure if Mbeumo and Bowen would though.

 

Equally the guys struggling for them at the moment, Martinelli, Doku and Savio would likely look very good playing out wide at Newcastle.

[BergenMagpie]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Do they have PSR issues? Or is his contract up? Dibling could earn them that money getting them back up next season. 
 

Why would they sell him for less than they sold Tino?

They probably don't, his contract isn't up and he could, but that wasn't my point. 

 

I think he's too young and raw (only played 17 games at top level with only 1 goal) for anyone to pay such a "finished article" amount of money for him. Also, he'd might request a transfer if they go down. 50m would be a crazy gamble

[ExiledGeordie]

I wonder if Longstaff might go in January now that we have Miley? It would also make sense PSR wise. I don’t see Trippier going next month as we need his experience for the league. I think Barnes will probably go in the summer to get more football. 
 

A new RW and R CB next month like the Lens player would be the dream but I’d take a RW as a priority. 

[Geordie_once_removed]

33 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

I wonder if Longstaff might go in January now that we have Miley? It would also make sense PSR wise. I don’t see Trippier going next month as we need his experience for the league. I think Barnes will probably go in the summer to get more football. 
 

A new RW and R CB next month like the Lens player would be the dream but I’d take a RW as a priority. 

In terms of minutes on the field perhaps, but I think as Miley is under 21 he doesn't count towards squad numbers so he also doesn't count towards the homegrown rule. So of we sold Longstaff in January it might have knock on effects on who we could register.

[Unbelievable]

Also if Longstaff or Willock (or any other central midfield player) is sold for PSR reasons we’d then have to go out and bring somebody else in, as we can’t have only five players for 3 positions and afaik nobody from the U21’s is ready to step up like Miley was last year.

[Smal]

I think we can get away with 5 for those positions for the rest of this season. Hall can play there if we need him to in an emergency as well.

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if Longstaff leaves in January now. Howe seems keen to get Miley some game time.

[toon25]

8 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Did a Quick Look and Arsenal fans seem to rate Martinelli less than I do. They want him out. 
 

Arsenal fans seem to have a general frustration at a lack of ballers.  Their reminiscing about the Wilshere, Nasri and Fabregas era  top ballers tbf but just funny to me as that’s like the 5th best Arsenal side of my lifetime 

 

They'll be turning on Arteta soon, I'd have thought. Spent a shit ton of money to win one FA Cup

[Sibierski]

8 hours ago, BergenMagpie said:

They probably don't, his contract isn't up and he could, but that wasn't my point. 

 

I think he's too young and raw (only played 17 games at top level with only 1 goal) for anyone to pay such a "finished article" amount of money for him. Also, he'd might request a transfer if they go down. 50m would be a crazy gamble

No-one is signing Dibling for his goal output, they’re signing for him for his level of composure, technical ability and footballing IQ at such a young age. 

 

The skill set you dream of working with to mould into the player you want whilst still learning. We spent £30m on Lewis Hall after 8 prem games, so Dibling for more is fair value since attackers usually carry more weight.

[Sibierski]

5 minutes ago, Smal said:

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if Longstaff leaves in January now. Howe seems keen to get Miley some game time.

Wonder if we’d be open to a deal to a championship side who have a strong chance of going up. Like Leeds on loan with obligation to buy if they go up for £20m. 
 

Feels that would open up potential list of clubs to buy. 

[Smal]

1 minute ago, Sibierski said:

Wonder if we’d be open to a deal to a championship side who have a strong chance of going up. Like Leeds on loan with obligation to buy if they go up for £20m. 
 

Feels that would open up potential list of clubs to buy. 

Dunno, think there’ll be plenty of Prem teams who will value a player like him.

 

Would improve most of the bottom half teams like Southampton Leicester, Man U etc.

 

[Ikon]

Who would people pick between Bakayoko and Dibling to name two we’ve been linked with? I doubt Cherki is of the profile we are looking at unfortunately.

 

Personally my first pick would probably be Akliouche. Don’t see that one being possible in January though. Talented and very good footballing IQ. 
 

Between Dibling and Bakayoko I’m not sure really. Maybe Dibling as I think he might be better long term. Kolo-Muani might be a good option considering that we only have Isak and if he got injured we’d be fucked. 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Ikon

[BergenMagpie]

6 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

No-one is signing Dibling for his goal output, they’re signing for him for his level of composure, technical ability and footballing IQ at such a young age. 

 

The skill set you dream of working with to mould into the player you want whilst still learning. We spent £30m on Lewis Hall after 8 prem games, so Dibling for more is fair value since attackers usually carry more weight.

I mean he's undeniably talented, but cant see anyone taking a punt now for 50m. Who could afford this in this PSR landscape? At his age clubs would probably also want to see that his body doesn't turn to glass after his first injury

 

Also it feels like young defensive english players are usually linked with higher value moves than wingers

[The College Dropout]

8 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Yup.

 

Saka and Mahrez are top tier and are the sort that work best for Arteta and Pep. They are great in tight spaces and are precision finishers and passes/crossers.

 

Sterling was also great at Man City due to his movement off the ball.

 

I think it's quite difficult finding players that will perform in that setup.

 

Salah and Palmer would. Not sure if Mbeumo and Bowen would though.

 

Equally the guys struggling for them at the moment, Martinelli, Doku and Savio would likely look very good playing out wide at Newcastle.

I agree with you. 
 

I think Bowen could make the step up. That left foot is cash money. He doesn’t need a transition or space to get it off. Similarly I think Barnes could do a job off the bench for any elite side for the same reason - that right foot is cash money at finishing. Bowen has more creativity though. I’m not sure on Mbeumo as Brentford are such a transition and direct attack based side.  I do love Mbeumo’s movement though. 
 

Martinelli I always doubted technically. But he doesn’t even have the box instincts I thought he might. That hunger and desire to always be at the far post moving. Doku and Savio just aren’t those types of players. Mbeumo and Bowen have that determination and instincts in the box. 
 

It’s why I don’t mind Gordon at 9. He’s got decent box movement and that determination to get the first touch in the box. It’s hard to teach that.  Rashford never had that, he liked everything to feet and then to show quality. But that quality would waver.  

[The College Dropout]

8 hours ago, BergenMagpie said:

They probably don't, his contract isn't up and he could, but that wasn't my point. 

 

I think he's too young and raw (only played 17 games at top level with only 1 goal) for anyone to pay such a "finished article" amount of money for him. Also, he'd might request a transfer if they go down. 50m would be a crazy gamble

Dibling went from Southampton youth academy to the spurs academy a few years ago. He didn’t like it and moved back within a year. He’s not putting in a transfer request like. He’s a proper wonderkid that’s had hype from a young age - we are not going to get him on the cheap. 
 

I expect him to do an Archie Gray. Spend a year getting regular championship football in what will likely be a winning team. Try to shine.  Try and get Southampton promoted. If Dibling shines and Southampton get promoted, stay another year.  If they don’t consider leaving. He may need further development time anyway. 
 

And Leeds only sold Gray because they needed the money too.  
 

The Champ is a great league to develop talent. I stand by it, if Southampton sell in the summer they’ll get £40m unless they have PSR issues like Leeds. 

[The College Dropout]

15 minutes ago, BergenMagpie said:

I mean he's undeniably talented, but cant see anyone taking a punt now for 50m. Who could afford this in this PSR landscape? At his age clubs would probably also want to see that his body doesn't turn to glass after his first injury

 

Also it feels like young defensive english players are usually linked with higher value moves than wingers

He also doesn’t need to move.  
 

if he was available for £30m a top 6 side + data boys (Brentford, Brighton) would buy him just for the value.  That pushes the price to £40m and that’s if they need to sell him.  He’ll be worth that same £40m next year. 
 

Re Brighton: I believe they only signed Minteh and Rutted because the value of the deals was so good vs risk.  If you look at their squad - they didn’t need another RW or 10.  But us and Leeds got ourselves into FFP issues and had to sell high potential players for a decent fee. We had a lot of interest at 30-40m for Minteh after 1 good season in the eredivisie. Southampton will know if Dibling could do similar next season. Unless forced - no need to sell for £30m this season. 

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Who would people pick between Bakayoko and Dibling to name two we’ve been linked with? I doubt Cherki is of the profile we are looking at unfortunately.

 

Personally my first pick would probably be Akliouche. Don’t see that one being possible in January though. Talented and very good footballing IQ. 
 

Between Dibling and Bakayoko I’m not sure really. Maybe Dibling as I think he might be better long term. Kolo-Muani might be a good option considering that we only have Isak and if he got injured we’d be fucked. 

 

 

 

Kolo Muani plays for PSG. He was signed for €90m. He probably earns €200k per week.  
 

Why would he/we sign him to sit on the bench? 
 

Even if his wages are subsidised. He will not Join to sit on the bench. 
 

when we think about targets we should consider the targets existing wages and profile vs what we can offer. 

[STM]

37 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

Wonder if we’d be open to a deal to a championship side who have a strong chance of going up. Like Leeds on loan with obligation to buy if they go up for £20m. 
 

Feels that would open up potential list of clubs to buy. 

 

He will have PL options because, believe it or not, he's not as our own fans seem to think.

[STM]

I think it's clear we won't be signing players already on big wages, we've never done that yet, so I doubt we will do it now.

 

It's also become less likely now we have Mitchell IMO.

[KaKa]

22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I agree with you. 
 

I think Bowen could make the step up. That left foot is cash money. He doesn’t need a transition or space to get it off. Similarly I think Barnes could do a job off the bench for any elite side for the same reason - that right foot is cash money at finishing. Bowen has more creativity though. I’m not sure on Mbeumo as Brentford are such a transition and direct attack based side.  I do love Mbeumo’s movement though. 
 

Martinelli I always doubted technically. But he doesn’t even have the box instincts I thought he might. That hunger and desire to always be at the far post moving. Doku and Savio just aren’t those types of players. Mbeumo and Bowen have that determination and instincts in the box. 
 

It’s why I don’t mind Gordon at 9. He’s got decent box movement and that determination to get the first touch in the box. It’s hard to teach that.  Rashford never had that, he liked everything to feet and then to show quality. But that quality would waver.  

 

Yeah, it's interesting.

 

I agree on the quality of both Barnes and Bowen when striking the ball. However, I'm just not sure how good they'd be manipulating the tight spaces to get those off. It's the biggest issue when playing in those slower possession heavy sides that look to find gaps against low blocks.