NUFC Transfer Rumours

[SteV]

Theoretically there’s quite a sum of wages coming off the books in the summer.

 

Out of contract you’ve got Wilson, Dubravka, Lascelles, Lewis, Schar and Kraft.

 

Now Schar and Kraft might sign extensions, but with the other four you’re probably clearing at least £150k p/w.

 

Obviously if we’re going to improve the squad with their replacements, it’ll likely cost a fair bit more, but hopefully it at least gives some wiggle room.

[Weezertron]

46 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

Money has never been the question brother, it’s the PSR distance from the edge into having to sell someone and our commercial income and player sale income needs to improve so we can spend the money. It’s been said before that the Guehi deal = selling someone big in the summer. 

 

 

 

This was my understanding, though I wish I could fall in line with Cubs idea that we're loaded. Guehi deal would have pushed us into selling a first teamer this summer to make up the deficit, like we did with Anderson and Minteh. 

 

Though I do think it's mental to me, that the club tried to sign Guehi knowing that would be the case. Like Eddie has bemoaned losing Anderson and Minteh all season, yet we were willing to do the same again is baffling.

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

With Willock, he’s not going to be the player we need him to be long term. He’s inconsistent, and he’s injury prone.

 

I was surprised to see that Hayden is still on our books, so we should be looking to sell him as well, even if it means w have to pay his wages until his contract runs out in the summer.

 

Agree on Willock. Feel he just ain't ever gonna be that lethal attacking mid who spends every game leaving defenders in the dust. There's some transfer funds to be had there. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Champions League qualification could be massive for the summer.

 

we should be looking at £40-£50m additional revenue with that and some additional sponsorships off the back of it.

 

Allowing for the wage savings in SteV’s post we should be able to add £500k a week in wages (£18m) and drop £100m on fees before any sales 

[madras]

3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

Champions League qualification could be massive for the summer.

 

we should be looking at £40-£50m additional revenue with that and some additional sponsorships off the back of it.

 

Allowing for the wage savings in SteV’s post we should be able to add £500k a week in wages (£18m) and drop £100m on fees before any sales 

New rules coming in by then though. Teams who were in it this year get legacy payments of 100mill, teams that qualify but weren't in this year's actually have to pay 100mill for the privilege of being in the same draw.

[High Five o]

I think it’s about time we are cynical in the next few windows and shift all players not up to standards (incl Longstaff etc) and buy young promising players. If not we will never progress imo.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

17 minutes ago, madras said:

New rules coming in by then though. Teams who were in it this year get legacy payments of 100mill, teams that qualify but weren't in this year's actually have to pay 100mill for the privilege of being in the same draw.

doesn’t that only apply if you were in the competition in 2023/2024 and have a manager with the initials EH though?

 

oh shit…..

[CPL]

12 minutes ago, High Five o said:

I think it’s about time we are cynical in the next few windows and shift all players not up to standards (incl Longstaff etc) and buy young promising players. If not we will never progress imo.

That's great on paper but we need willing buyers. It's not as easy as it is on FM.

[High Five o]

28 minutes ago, CPL said:

That's great on paper but we need willing buyers. It's not as easy as it is on FM.

We literally have had bids on Almiron and I am sure it is clubs interested in Longstaff/Willock. Tired of this patronizing FM bullocks. Quite clear the club have had a desire to keep «squad» players at the club. To progress it have to end.

[joeyt]

How long is Hayden still here for?

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, High Five o said:

We literally have had bids on Almiron and I am sure it is clubs interested in Longstaff/Willock. Tired of this patronizing FM bullocks. Quite clear the club have had a desire to keep «squad» players at the club. To progress it have to end.

It's not patronising FM bollocks, it's reality............. unfortunately.

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Rod said:

It's not patronising FM bollocks, it's reality............. unfortunately.

Are we doing the business at Old Trafford on Monday Rod?

[Scoot]

5 minutes ago, joeyt said:

How long is Hayden still here for?

 

I'm sure he has a contract until the summer of 2026.

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, Fak said:

Are we doing the business at Old Trafford on Monday Rod?

I have a scrappy 1-2 to the Toon.  They will be over the moon with a draw.

[High Five o]

10 minutes ago, Rod said:

It's not patronising FM bollocks, it's reality............. unfortunately.

😂

[madras]

20 minutes ago, High Five o said:

We literally have had bids on Almiron and I am sure it is clubs interested in Longstaff/Willock. Tired of this patronizing FM bullocks. Quite clear the club have had a desire to keep «squad» players at the club. To progress it have to end.

So accept any bids ? Under 10mill for Longstaff ?

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by madras

[The Butcher]

Oliver Shitt went for what, 20m +? Longstaff's much better.

 

Not saying Longy's worth the double, but he's a capable PL midfielder. 

 

Wouldn't sell for less than 15-20m.

[High Five o]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

So accept any bids ? Under 10mill for Longstaff ?

 

 

 

Of course not.

What would you deem acceptable?

 

Age going up, value going down.

 

The other alternative is to sell a «purple» and rebuild. 
 

not saying it’s just to offload, but we should work hard to do it.

 

i actually have faith in Mitchell to sort that out.

[Mazzy]

15 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Oliver Shitt went for what, 20m +? Longstaff's much better.

 

Not saying Longy's worth the double, but he's a capable PL midfielder. 

 

Wouldn't sell for less than 15-20m.

 

Well considering Anderson went for basically £15M, you'd think £20M would be a minimum for Longstaff really. Willock would be half that though I reckon considering the couple of poor seasons injury/form wise he's had, but then it's less likely teams will want him because of that.

[madras]

12 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Of course not.

What would you deem acceptable?

 

Age going up, value going down.

 

The other alternative is to sell a «purple» and rebuild. 
 

not saying it’s just to offload, but we should work hard to do it.

 

i actually have faith in Mitchell to sort that out.

I agree but I can see why people would be glib about your original post. I've no doubt that right now we'd let Miggy go, maybe even under 10mill. Personally I'd hold Longstaff until the Summer unless someone offered 20mill (15mill is likely his price) but if the bids don't come..... what then ? There's more to it than just saying "sell"

[Chris_R]

I can only repeat what I've already said about Longstaff...

 

PL rules mean we need to register 8 UK-trained players. UEFA rules mean we need to register 4 UK-trained players, and a further 4 academy players, for UEFA competitions. We're aiming for the CL or Europa League, so those rules apply in our thinking now.

Can those wanting us to get rid of Longstaff please name the 4 better academy players we currently have on our books? Miley doesn't count, he's U21 so is a free registration and doesn't count to the numbers.

 

If you can't name 4 better academy players aged 21+ (I'll give you a hint - you can't), then are you suggesting we go into European competition registering a squad of just 24 instead of 25? Because that's what we'll have to do.

 

Longstaff will, quite rightly, stay. Or at the very least be offered a new contract and not be put up for sale. There's 0 chance we try to sell him.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

We don’t NEED to register 4 academy players, it’s just that we restrict our squad if we don’t.

 

so the question isn’t who is better that Longstaff but rather can we put out a better 24 player squad if he is sold which then reduces the reliance on the homegrown quota. The answer to that is probably yes, but it will take a little thinking through. I’d argue certainly another forward or centre back who you would be happy with would be better than Longstaff as a reserve centre mid IF that is the consideration.

[Chris_R]

59 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

We don’t NEED to register 4 academy players, it’s just that we restrict our squad if we don’t.

 

so the question isn’t who is better that Longstaff but rather can we put out a better 24 player squad if he is sold

 

It wouldn't even be a 24-man squad. We've got (Unless I'm missing anyone?) NO PL-quality academy players other than Longstaff and Miley. MIley doesn't count because of age, so if we sell Longstaff we'll be registering 21 players for Europe - Or filling the rest with utter dross as a box-ticking exercise.

 

We're going to be naming benches with empty spaces on them.

 

Anyone we then sign instead of Longstaff will have to take one of the 21 places, not the 24. Meaning someone else senior will miss out.

 

It's a non-starter. Longstaff will stay. And, as I said, quite rightly. We should have kept Anderson for the same reason. The only reason you should sell PL-quality academy players is if you've got a surplus of them. We don't.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Chris_R

[Kanj]

“Quite rightly”  

 

Ok fine sir. 

[Mazzy]

57 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

It wouldn't even be a 24-man squad. We've got (Unless I'm missing anyone?) NO PL-quality academy players other than Longstaff and Miley. MIley doesn't count because of age, so if we sell Longstaff we'll be registering 21 players for Europe - Or filling the rest with utter dross as a box-ticking exercise.

 

We're going to be naming benches with empty spaces on them.

 

Anyone we then sign instead of Longstaff will have to take one of the 21 places, not the 24. Meaning someone else senior will miss out.

 

It's a non-starter. Longstaff will stay. And, as I said, quite rightly. We should have kept Anderson for the same reason. The only reason you should sell PL-quality academy players is if you've got a surplus of them. We don't.

 

 

 

 

That's definitely why you should do it but there's a reason we had to do it unfortunately. I don't see Longstaff leaving myself either, unless you get crazy bid for him but as you say even then that hurts us when it comes to European squads. But equally we're unlikely to be able to meet the homegrown requirements anyway even with Longstaff so perhaps it doesn't matter either way.