ponsaelius Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) We're obviously just getting a headstart in clearing the decks for the summer as much as we can. Moving players on is hard, we've seen that for years. When you get interest in long term deadwood you want to upgrade sometimes you've got to just move them on while it's there if you can - even if it leaves you short. We have no Europe and one game a week for the rest of the season - this is the one time you can gamble on a smaller squad for a bit. It's a gamble no doubt, but I do get it. If you've got breathing space you can strike early and proactively in the summer to fill the gaps you've already made. Perhaps take advantage of any PSR firesales if they happen like last summer. Conversely if we've still got players we need to shift, it could take all summer until players are back from their holidays etc, and leave us with little flexibility. Edited January 30 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) The one caveat I would give to the above is we have two free loan spots, and getting some bodies in as temporary cover to any outgoing moves would be a good way to mitigate for those sales until the summer. It's not something we ever seem to explore though. Edited January 30 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: The one thing I don’t understand is the media saying we can’t spend this month without risking breaching PSR. However they then say we would be in a position to take advantage of clubs struggling before the June PSR deadline. Aren’t the two contradictory? Ignoring whatever is actually happening with us: as I understand it, amortisation (and wages obviously) are judged on a daily basis. So if you buy a player who would cost you £12m a year in PSR, for the first year they'll only cost you £12m if you buy them on day one of that year. Sign them half way through instead and they'll cost £6m, sign them with one month to go and they'll cost £1m. So a small amount of PSR budget can go a long way in May/June if another club is gasping for cash. Which means there's a lot to be said for keeping some powder dry for that time of the year. Edited January 30 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, r0cafella said: We aren't signing anyone this window lads. I mean, Howe pretty much said it even before the window opened. The priority was on keeping the players we've got. The decent ones I assume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: The one thing I don’t understand is the media saying we can’t spend this month without risking breaching PSR. However they then say we would be in a position to take advantage of clubs struggling before the June PSR deadline. Aren’t the two contradictory? Exactly what I've been saying...so many contradicting reports about where we are no-one actually seems to know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 No one is coming in but we should try and clear the decks of players not playing. Targett, Kelly, the Greek, dubs, trippier, longstaff, willock, wilson (lol) grt them away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 7 minutes ago, Dokko said: No one is coming in but we should try and clear the decks of players not playing. Targett, Kelly, the Greek, dubs, trippier, longstaff, willock, wilson (lol) grt them away. Over time yes. Wouldn't want to get rid of Willock or Longstaff at this point of the season with quite a bit at stake. Obviously depends on the offer but under 10mill for Longstaff right now ? I'd keep up till the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I know it's a broken record at this point, but the PSR/FFP rules are totally ludicrous, and are actively spoiling the game. wish they'd fuck off so teams (not just us) can build competitive teams and challenge for the title. the Premier League is finally full of ambitious owners and teams doing things "the right way", despite being held back every step of the way. it's completely changed the transfer market as well. weakening the likes of the Championship, and strengthening bullshit like the Saudi league. it's so short sighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, Dokko said: No one is coming in but we should try and clear the decks of players not playing. Targett, Kelly, the Greek, dubs, trippier, longstaff, willock, wilson (lol) grt them away. Dubs has played in the last dozen or so games ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said: Dubs has played in the last dozen or so games ! He's not the future. Clear the decks whilst there is interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, madras said: Over time yes. Wouldn't want to get rid of Willock or Longstaff at this point of the season with quite a bit at stake. Obviously depends on the offer but under 10mill for Longstaff right now ? I'd keep up till the summer. Sell whilst they are wanted. Problem is, not many will want willock as he's a crock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Big River said: I know it's a broken record at this point, but the PSR/FFP rules are totally ludicrous, and are actively spoiling the game. wish they'd fuck off so teams (not just us) can build competitive teams and challenge for the title. the Premier League is finally full of ambitious owners and teams doing things "the right way", despite being held back every step of the way. it's completely changed the transfer market as well. weakening the likes of the Championship, and strengthening bullshit like the Saudi league. it's so short sighted. This is completely true. If we, Villa , Forrest etc, were allowed to spend freely, you could have a far more competitive race for the title and much higher chance of teams who have never won the premier league doing so. It would then be more about which of the top 6-7 teams have the best manager, tactics, form, fitness etc and be way more entertaining. Watching Man City win the league 6 out of the last 7 times is not competitive. Spending money is no guarantee of success as Chelsea have shown recently. So it would come down to more about buying the right players, having good chemistry throughout the team etc. If lots of teams have strong recruitment and management then it will be a much closer contest between many teams. Sure the teams that can't bank role their squads as strongly will be unlikely to be able to compete at the top of the league, but then that's no different to how it's always been and those team would be able to take advantage of picking up better players that the other teams can't fit in their squads etc and give them an opportunity to thrive. Edited January 30 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, Big River said: I know it's a broken record at this point, but the PSR/FFP rules are totally ludicrous, and are actively spoiling the game. wish they'd fuck off so teams (not just us) can build competitive teams and challenge for the title. the Premier League is finally full of ambitious owners and teams doing things "the right way", despite being held back every step of the way. it's completely changed the transfer market as well. weakening the likes of the Championship, and strengthening bullshit like the Saudi league. it's so short sighted. Unfortunately that’s the issue; there aren’t, otherwise PSR wouldn’t keep getting voted in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 20 minutes ago, Dokko said: No one is coming in but we should try and clear the decks of players not playing. Targett, Kelly, the Greek, dubs, trippier, longstaff, willock, wilson (lol) grt them away. Targett and Kelly will not both be sold, only other one from that list will be Longstaff if a decent offer comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Wonder when or if any of our top players (I doubt they know much about PSR) will see our inactivity in these windows as a lack of ambition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, McCormick said: Wonder when or if any of our top players (I doubt they know much about PSR) will see our inactivity in these windows as a lack of ambition? Think a lot of this will depend on their agent. I'm sure the club/Eddie will be drilling it into them. But ultimately these lads tend to (rightly or wrongly) trust their agent with this sort of stuff. If the agent wants a move he will skew their thinking that way however he/she can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, McCormick said: Wonder when or if any of our top players (I doubt they know much about PSR) will see our inactivity in these windows as a lack of ambition? They are challenging for Europe and possibly Champions league. I’m sure that’s where their focus will be. The summer is the real test and obviously dependant of where we finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Would like a loan to replace Miggy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Would like a loan to replace Miggy. A good RW on loan with obligation to buy in the summer would be great. I will understand if we wait until the summer. If we could sell Longstaff, Kelly and Targett, it's been a good window. Sets us up nicely for a big summer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The College Dropout Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 40 minutes ago, vexred said: A good RW on loan with obligation to buy in the summer would be great. I will understand if we wait until the summer. If we could sell Longstaff, Kelly and Targett, it's been a good window. Sets us up nicely for a big summer window. Would prefer an option to an obligation. We need a stop gap. Reassess in the summer. Maybe financially it doesn't make sense to loan (loan fee might eat up some of the Miggy profit). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) Well let's just assume we are skint, meanwhile our owners are bankrolling their domestic clubs to inflate the coffers of our rivals by paying stupid amounts for their second choice strikers. One of ours goes there for about half market rate and there's an investigation??? Something stinks... cui bono? Edited January 30 by gjohnson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Well let's just assume we are skint, meanwhile our owners are bankrolling their domestic clubs to inflate the coffers of our rivals by paying stupid amounts for their second choice strikers. One of ours goes there for about half market rate and there's an investigation??? Something stinks... cui bono? This will be where Al Hilal come in for Isak bidding 20m and we get told to be greatful for being offered that much. With how dodgy football finances are now I would not be remotely surprised Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said: They are challenging for Europe and possibly Champions league. I’m sure that’s where their focus will be. The summer is the real test and obviously dependant of where we finish. Was about to say this. As long as we are challenging for CL, no one is going to be unhappy. If we finish well I expect us to do some significant business in the summer, that should be more than enough to keep our few top performers onside, especially if we make CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just now, TRon said: Was about to say this. As long as we are challenging for CL, no one is going to be unhappy. If we finish well I expect us to do some significant business in the summer, that should be more than enough to keep our few top performers onside, especially if we make CL. Exactly. Let’s push on and finish strong. Could be a very exciting summer for good reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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