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1 minute ago, Ben said:

Are prices going up or are we just to low with starting bids 

I think both can be true we put a value on the player and the seller has a price in mind. Based on the general player market, calibre of player we are going for and places we are shopping in. 

 

At best we are strong in our opinion and at worse we are niaeve in what has happened to prices and we are finding ourselves world's apart seemingly hoping tiny improvements or leaving the bid on the table hoping the passage of time will change their minds.

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Aside from the Isak issue, were estimated having 150-200m to spend this summer. If Isak goes, probably for less than the 150m he is worth, say 130m, thats a kitty of well over 300m minus Elanga...

The pace and way we operate is fucking baffling and so fucking predictable, it's also snail pace and lacks any kind of confidence or sense of conviction.

 

Other than Eddie and a few players being caught cold by Arsenal TV (another question) the silence is fucking deafening.

 

We need to stop being a soft touch, grow some balls and get our shit together in what is pivotal season in our growth.

We've become the bitches of the EPL ad rivals. What happened to We're not here to be popular? We seem to be one very few clubs playing by the book.

At which point is it time to fuck the system and take the punches like City?

 

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Its mission impossible when we are going into the transfer window. Its difficult with the fee, and its difficult finding quality. I can understand the bit with the fees, but its not easy for any club unless you are the usual suspects. But I dont get the bit with the quality. It was the same last summer transfer window. As I have said before its not Tonali or Hall we are replacing. Its Wilson, Longstaff and Kelly or whatever. There are many many better players out there.

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On 25/07/2025 at 10:40, KingArthur said:

Yes, we have signed one, true. But no one is happy about incomings right? I still have faith in them, but come September and if we have no first class striker on the books, heads need to roll

Thats not going to happen. We won't let Isak go until we have signed a replacement.

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55 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Bored of hearing how tough prices are, how tough the market is tbh. We know that, we knew that last summer, so to go around lowballing bids for in-demand players we absolutely cannot be surprised that we've only got one in.

Too right. Cut your cloth accordingly 

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We sure lowballed Frankfurt with that ~£70m offer. :lol: what a pack of cheapskates we're going around like. What was it for Pedro? 60? Insulted-agent-cutscene-from-FIFA-tastic.

 

Reminder that we actually met Burnley's asking price for Trafford and we bought Elanga at a very competitive price.

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4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

We sure lowballed Frankfurt with that ~£70m offer. :lol: what a pack of cheapskates we're going around like. What was it for Pedro? 60? Insulted-agent-cutscene-from-FIFA-tastic.

 

Reminder that we actually met Burnley's asking price for Trafford and we bought Elanga at a very competitive price.

 

...that was rejected

 

...that was rejected

 

...that was far, far too late

 

...that took forever and no one else wanted to sign, but fair play it got done.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

...that was rejected

 

...that was rejected

 

...that was far, far too late

 

...that took forever and no one else wanted to sign, but fair play it got done.

 

 

 

 

But you know why! :lol: it's not low-balling is it? The market is being inflated by the cartel clubs who operate without our constraints. 

 

I really must stop. I will. At some point. Probably.

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There are plenty of excuses and/or mitigating factors people can come up with but to me they don't cut the mustard.

 

Fact of the matter is our transfer activity has been seriously inadequate. We look disorganized and amateur, suggesting our methods are not fit for purpose. The consequences of two botched summers may be further reaching than we want to admit.

 

It's not too late for the club to acknowledge its failings and adjust its approach, but I won't hold my breath.

 

I have serious doubts that our transfer plans/methods/staff are anything near elite level, or that the club has the kind of leadership in place to drive us forward.

 

 

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I think we over estimated our pull, I'm not blaming Eddie the man is a legend but it's obvious these are his preferred options. Obviously the vacuum above him leads to this but we are in a bind and one that we don't really have a way out of. 

 

Eddie has earnt his power, nobody would doubt that but it's that same power which has lead us being embarrassed all summer long. 

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10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

But you know why! :lol: it's not low-balling is it? The market is being inflated by the cartel clubs who operate without our constraints. 

 

I really must stop. I will. At some point. Probably.

I do yeah, because we didn't meet the selling club's valuations. :lol: Every other club isn't in on this conspiracy.

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I think we over estimated our pull, I'm not blaming Eddie the man is a legend but it's obvious these are his preferred options. Obviously the vacuum above him leads to this but we are in a bind and one that we don't really have a way out of. 

 

Eddie has earnt his power, nobody would doubt that but it's that same power which has lead us being embarrassed all summer long. 

 

Target identification has been horrific. I was concerned when I saw we were genuinely going after Hujisen which was never happening.

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1 minute ago, ElDiablo said:

 

Target identification has been horrific. I was concerned when I saw we were genuinely going after Hujisen which was never happening.

I think it's the lack of awareness of others budgets and plans that's been lacking. As I've said a million times everyone is targeting the same profile of players, by nature of our position we have to take more risks, it's not too late though let's hope we are reviewing and changing. 

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13 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

But you know why! :lol: it's not low-balling is it? The market is being inflated by the cartel clubs who operate without our constraints. 

 

I really must stop. I will. At some point. Probably.

 

Agree with what you're saying in the main, but - and this is the most frustrating aspect of all this - we knew prices would be inflated by 'richer' clubs because that pool of players is so small. It seems like common sense that we might have ti pay more to get them than a club with a proven rate of success. 

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35 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

We sure lowballed Frankfurt with that ~£70m offer. :lol: what a pack of cheapskates we're going around like. What was it for Pedro? 60? Insulted-agent-cutscene-from-FIFA-tastic.

 

Reminder that we actually met Burnley's asking price for Trafford and we bought Elanga at a very competitive price.

If we wanted Ektike we had to outbid Liverpool, and negotiate the price within 24 hours. We'd have known of other clubs enquiries, we know we can't compete on wages if they go high. So having a bid rejected in that instance is stupid, particularly when its the second time this window, and it happened with Szoboslai before.

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1 minute ago, Thumbheed said:

 

Agree with what you're saying in the main, but - and this is the most frustrating aspect of all this - we knew prices would be inflated by 'richer' clubs because that pool of players is so small. It seems like common sense that we might have ti pay more to get them than a club with a proven rate of success. 

 

I believe we'd be beaten regardless of the price we were offering. 

 

Anyway, I still believe we'll have an acceptable window in terms of recruitment. It won't outweigh the loss of Isak. 

 

Really hope Wissa gets sorted ASAP.

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4 minutes ago, ElDiablo said:

 

Target identification has been horrific. I was concerned when I saw we were genuinely going after Hujisen which was never happening.

 

For me the problem is we don't seem to be able to quickly pivot to other targets. Is that because we're incompetent in some way, or we don't actually have other targets shortlisted to pivot to?

 

I have this daft idea in my head that the approach to bringing in players should fundamentally be quite simple;

 

Have a list of 5-7 semi-realistic targets for a position, in order of preference, based on appropriate criteria/metrics, who you believe  would improve your team. Then at the earliest opportunity (ie when transfer window opens, maybe before) you go to the first player's club and say, what do you want for him?

 

If the club gives you a reasonable figure, you negotiate from there. Proactively. With some urgency. If they quote you something horrendous or piss you around, read the room and stop wasting your time. Move onto the next player. And so on. Maybe revisit earlier inquiries later if needed/if all other enquiries come to nothing, but prioritize getting deals done.

 

Obviously the process is more nuanced, and somewhat more difficult than I've laid out. Happy to concede that. But I just do not believe we are professionally and proactively pushing for deals, based on the evidence of our transfer activity. Tbh, I'm not even sure we have lists of targets that are more than 1-2 deep per position. 

 

There's obviously no way to prove this but I reckon if our private transfer workings were to be laid bare publicly, many of us would be gobsmacked at how imperfect and flawed they'd be.

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The main reason we've lost signings is down to wages - we just cannot match what the likes of Chelsea / Liverpool can offer.

 

 

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