r0cafella Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, The College Dropout said: I've said similar recently. It was a lot of money. A LOT. It seems like we went far into quality and "proven" pedigree rather than quantity and less proven. And it just hasn't worked out this season. Most people wanted a first-choice LB, backup RB, 2 CMs & a right winger (and a replacement for first team departures). We signed 1 CM, the backup RB and a backup LB (and a replacement for a departure). All expensive premium options. Would people have accepted 2 lower quality players over Tonali in July? I don't think many tbf. That’s the thing, im not even saying in right I’m saying it’s something to think about and question. We took a massive gamble and it’s backfired, we’ve regressed unfortunately and of course it’s an extent some regression was to be expected but we have to learn from it. the owners said we can’t afford to get one transfer wrong and through various circumstances we’ve got 3 wrong in one window. We’ve just got to hope we can salvage the season and push on next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Onana is technically not good enough. He’s absolutely not someone who could take us forward as he is now. Obviously, if hes able to be coached to another level that may be different but I just don’t think his feet and balance look top level. Too often he clumsily messes things up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Harrison would mean Almiron doesn't start and perhaps Trippier isn't on every single set-piece. I didn't like at the fees quoted but he's better than Miggy for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 I think Harrison is a really good player but he has the English premium and he’s not a champions league quality winger. There will be better options out there with higher ceilings and lower transfer fees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, gbandit said: Onana is technically not good enough. He’s absolutely not someone who could take us forward as he is now. Obviously, if hes able to be coached to another level that may be different but I just don’t think his feet and balance look top level. Too often he clumsily messes things up For me technical ability is our most glaring weakness midfield. Outside of Bruno I can't say any of our regulars look comfortable on the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: We took a massive gamble and it’s backfired, we’ve regressed unfortunately and of course it’s an extent some regression was to be expected but we have to learn from it. the owners said we can’t afford to get one transfer wrong and through various circumstances we’ve got 3 wrong in one window. We’ve just got to hope we can salvage the season and push on next year. For the Tonali transfer it was literally gamble that backfired . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 46 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Honestly, could get an Onana-esque player for a third of the price on the continent. Don’t see the appeal at all. Premier League hardened? Aye, but his position isn’t the riskiest transition of a role unlike say a Germany based striker. Would rather pay half that for Fofana. Honestly that link doesn't even sound plausible, it feels like the club are using the local journalists to leak false info so they can go after their real targets under the radar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, r0cafella said: That’s the thing, im not even saying in right I’m saying it’s something to think about and question. We took a massive gamble and it’s backfired, we’ve regressed unfortunately and of course it’s an extent some regression was to be expected but we have to learn from it. the owners said we can’t afford to get one transfer wrong and through various circumstances we’ve got 3 wrong in one window. We’ve just got to hope we can salvage the season and push on next year. I think you have to look at why they backfired though. We can go back and forth over whether we should have known about Tonali and his gambling but the ban is why that move hasn't worked out (yet). Barnes picked up an injury after a handful of games. So the "lesson" we can learn from two of the three is what? Avoid gambling addicts and don't let them get injured? I do see what you're saying, the choice was quantity or quality, we went for the latter and we are seeing the negatives of that approach. However, I don't think you can say we got three transfers "wrong" within six months of them signing, when two of them have hardly played through no fault of the club or it's recruitment strategy. We have to take them at their word when they said this has to be a project - we aren't looking just at the season ahead, we're trying to build a squad of top quality and we aren't going to do that in one or two windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Honestly that link doesn't even sound plausible, it feels like the club are using the local journalists to leak false info so they can go after their real targets under the radar. I feel like this gets said every window, yet the majority of the time our signings have been named in the media for weeks beforehand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, SUPERTOON said: I feel like this gets said every window, yet the majority of the time our signings have been named in the media for weeks beforehand. Yes because we get linked with every player under the sun, we are bound to get one of them, and there'll be 10 others that we don't. This Onana link sounds like one of those 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaksbigrightfoot Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, TRon said: Yes because we get linked with every player under the sun, we are bound to get one of them, and there'll be 10 others that we don't. This Onana link sounds like one of those 10. Honestly not sure, he seems the exact type if profile we would target to suit Howe’s style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028?s=20 What are we talking about here 50-60m? I dont see this a goer at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just change the "x" to "twitter" and it still embeds https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028 to https://twitter.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Honestly not sure, he seems the exact type if profile we would target to suit Howe’s style. Can't say I've ever paid that much attention to him but he seems the type who would press very effectively, tackle viciously, get booked a lot and then not be so great on the ball. Does that sound about right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Comforted in the knowledge that the last player we bought from Everton was a transfer and fee that was vehemently opposed by many, and now said player is practically indispensable to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 Just now, TRon said: Can't say I've ever paid that much attention to him but he seems the type who would press very effectively, tackle viciously, get booked a lot and then not be so great on the ball. Does that sound about right? Yep, from the bits I’ve seen that’s exactly it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 The timing of this link to the Joelinton "news" yesterday seems a little too coincidental to me, but we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 At least hes got recovery pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 3 minutes ago, Rich said: Just change the "x" to "twitter" and it still embeds https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028 to https://twitter.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1748335841825481028 Still doesn’t work for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 (edited) Onana? If we sign him, I don't know what Amadou. Seriously though - the profile of player we have been linked too recently are Howe-ball specialists. I think Onana is a Howe signing for sure. At least it seems his job is safe. Personally - I don't like the idea of signing so many players that are specific to a manager's profile atp. Edited January 19, 2024 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 We are so desperate for a CM/DM right now, so would welcome Onana, but even him in there we would still have the problems in possession and under press. Got the running ability Longstaff and Bruno lacks, but other than that im not sure hes worth a hefty fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Onana? If we sign him, I don't know what Amadou. Seriously though - the profile of player we have been linked too recently are Howe-ball specialists. I think Onana is a Howe signing for sure. At least it seems his job is safe. Personally - I don't like the idea of signing so many players that are specific to a manager's profile atp. This is your best post ? Edited January 19, 2024 by AJ9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 19, 2024 Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: We are so desperate for a CM/DM right now, so would welcome Onana, but even him in there we would still have the problems in possession and under press. Got the running ability Longstaff and Bruno lacks, but other than that im not sure hes worth a hefty fee. This is why phillips would be the better option, he has that passing and dribbling (more body use/sheltering ball) ability to get out of tricky situations... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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