NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Menace]

 

"Can you tell us who the first girl you kissed was as well please Sandro"

[Monkey Alan]

53 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Not bought Tonali and Barnes. There was absolutely no need for Barnes, and Tonali was an all eggs in one basket vanity signing, which backfired spectacularly.

 

Does a struggling salesman suddenly start turning up on a bicycle? No. He turns up in a newer car. Perception.

[madras]

39 minutes ago, Zero said:

I think the issue is the board genuinely expected Bruno to leave for 100m, and thought this would be the solution for the PSR black hole.

 

So when there is no offer for Bruno - crisis mode officially began.

I dont think it's so much they expected, but they didn't need to sell Minteh etc had Brunos clause been triggered.

 

At first we thought it was clever to time the clause to finish before tye accounting window closed meaning it would be harder for other clubs to trigger it, however it also left us little time if it wasn't.

[STM]

12 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

£100ks going in and out of his account. We didn't once check his financials? With gambling such a high risk with players and the outcome equalling lengthy vans, this is the type of DD you need to do... And yes specific jobs check your accounts to make sure you aren't a risk of bribary. 

 

 

 

Honestly, what you are saying is batshit. 

[Dr Jinx]

Highly doubt the club were expecting to sell him (Bruno), hoping nobody activated his release clause, sure.. but not actively trying to sell or even planning for his absence.

 

He’s also happy as a pig in shit here, he’d have given no club (through his agent) any encouragement to meet that release clause either.

 

PSR also playing a big part because not many can spend.

[Lish007]

It makes me feel better though that Bruno's release clause was OUR idea and not his. Makes a lot of sense now. 

 

Think Gordon's head being turned is rubbish. He knows he's got a good thing with us here, he's not jumping ship yet. 

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, Lish007 said:

It makes me feel better though that Bruno's release clause was OUR idea and not his. Makes a lot of sense now. 

 

Think Gordon's head being turned is rubbish. He knows he's got a good thing with us here, he's not jumping ship yet. 

Wor Anthony loves it here. Already said there’s no better place to play football.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

£100ks going in and out of his account. We didn't once check his financials? With gambling such a high risk with players and the outcome equalling lengthy vans, this is the type of DD you need to do... And yes specific jobs check your accounts to make sure you aren't a risk of bribary. 

 

I'm not sure potential signings have to let us go through their personal finances. They might do some sort of financial check to see there aren't bankruptcy proceedings or bad debts etc, but that would be through an agency that does a check and gives you back a result, like if you go to work for a bank. It's not inspecting your bank statements line by line. 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[relámpago blanco]

39 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I'm not sure potential signings have to let us go through their personal finances. They might do some sort of financial check to see there aren't bankruptcy proceedings or bad debts etc, but that would be through an agency that does a check and gives you back a result, like if you go to work for a bank. It's not inspecting your bank statements line by line. 

 

 

 

If you go and work for certain government bodies depending on the classification of data you have to

[madras]

1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said:

If you go and work for certain government bodies depending on the classification of data you have to

And was Tonali doing that ?

[TRon]

2 hours ago, STM said:

We are going to spend some money in anger this summer.

 

I'd like to think so since all we've really done so far is sell a couple of promising youngsters, buy a young defender and a couple of washed up keepers for back up.

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said:

Wor Anthony loves it here. Already said there’s no better place to play football.

He is a Liverpool fan mind.

[gbandit]

Need some quality rumours to kick in today like, shed the malaise 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

He is a Liverpool fan mind.

 

Didn't know that. Makes the alleged sale to Liverpool more plausible then.

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He is a Liverpool fan mind.

 

His best mate here was Elliot Anderson too

[Dr Venkman]

53 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I'm not sure potential signings have to let us go through their personal finances. They might do some sort of financial check to see there aren't bankruptcy proceedings or bad debts etc, but that would be through an agency that does a check and gives you back a result, like if you go to work for a bank. It's not inspecting your bank statements line by line. 

 

 

 

Been here before like but there are methods of finding out about a players character, habits, friendship circles which aren't reliant on CCHQ style surveillance. It happens all the time in the US in the pre-draft process and it basically relies on conversations. I don't think anyone should have been going through his bank statements but I also don't think the 'how could we possibly have known?' argument passes the smell test. There are ways we could have gotten wind of his habits, we just didn't choose to use them. Whether you think that means the recruitment team failed or not depends on what your view of the research process for bringing in a big money signing should look like/involve.

[madras]

7 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Been here before like but there are methods of finding out about a players character, habits, friendship circles which aren't reliant on CCHQ style surveillance. It happens all the time in the US in the pre-draft process and it basically relies on conversations. I don't think anyone should have been going through his bank statements but I also don't think the 'how could we possibly have known?' argument passes the smell test. There are ways we could have gotten wind of his habits, we just didn't choose to use them. Whether you think that means the recruitment team failed or not depends on what your view of the research process for bringing in a big money signing should look like/involve.

I dont think the "conversations" thing passes any smell test when you're trying to fund out about something someone specifically wants kept hidden. Yeah you may find out he's a bit of a twat when drunk, likes blonds, hates Guinness etc but illegal gambling wouldn't be something just dropped into gossip.

 

The whole thing smacks of "I need someone to blame" when the only person to blame is Tonali.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2024 by madras

[Dr Venkman]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

I dot think the "conversations" thing passes any smell test when you're trying to fund out about something someone specifically wants kept hidden. Yeah you may find out he's a bit of a twat when drunk, likes blonds, hates Guinness etc but illegal gambling wouldn't be something just dropped into gossip.

 

The whole thing smacks of "I need someone to blame" when the only person to blame is Tonali.

 

 

 

Our senses of smell are different, that’s fine.

 

Not convinced he wanted to keep it hidden or if he did, that he managed it, given the stories of him ‘ring-leading’/it involving others.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2024 by Dr Venkman

[Paulinho]

9 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

There are ways we could have gotten wind of his habits, we just didn't choose to use them.

Like what, specifically?

[gdm]

14 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Need some quality rumours to kick in today like, shed the malaise 

On a day we’ve announced 3 signings too.  Funny old game.

 

 

 

 

[madras]

2 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Our senses of smell are different, that’s fine.

 

Not convinced he wanted to keep it hidden or if he did, that he managed it, given the stories of him ‘ring-leading’/it involving others.

 

 

 

Given he knew it was illegal and what his punishment would be I'd say him and his mates wanted it kept hidden.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

14 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

His best mate here was Elliot Anderson too

His England experience will make moving to a club like Liverpool seem more appealing.

[Dr Venkman]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Given he knew it was illegal and what his punishment would be I'd say him and his mates wanted it kept hidden.

Didn’t do a great job of it though, did they? Otherwise we wouldn’t know anything about it and he wouldn’t have been banned. The information was there to be gathered, we didn’t gather it. As I say, it’s personal preference whether you think that represents a failing on the part of the club or not.

[madras]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

Didn’t do a great job of it though, did they? Otherwise we wouldn’t know anything about it and he wouldn’t have been banned. The information was there to be gathered, we didn’t gather it. As I say, it’s personal preference whether you think that represents a failing on the part of the club or not.

That's how people get caught, often by accident and there'll be many who don't get caught at all and many who haven't been caught but will in the future.

 

The club do all sorts of checks on backgrounds etc but this got by, I'm guessing because it was kept hidden.

[gbandit]

Gambling illegally will be very difficult to keep tabs on, especially in a different country. Hopefully there are things that have been learned but it’s a very rare occurrence for a player to get banned for illegal gambling so I’m not sure how helpful it’ll be for the future. Just need to forget about it now