Tino Livramento

[nufc123]

57 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Where's this?

Howe said it.

[Geogaddi]

He does seem very injury prone mind , might work in our favour and put Man City off buying him.

[Fak]

42 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

 

Tino looks like he knows he might be out for a few months.

 

[Elma]

At least it's a hammy and not his knee - it's easy to get muscle injuries after you've been out a while so understandable. Comes due to having to play too many minutes when not fully fit due to the schedule.

[timeEd32]

The problem is two months is like 17 games.

[HayDen Traces]

Two months would likely rule him out the EFL final IF we got there

[Robbo2]

These injuries are really jeopardising his World Cup chances 

[duo]

[Decky]

12 hours ago, Geogaddi said:

He does seem very injury prone mind , might work in our favour and put Man City off buying him.

 

Doesn't work in our favour to have someone as injury prone as him though. Eventually we'll have to find someone who's more reliable. 

[Sibierski]

11 hours ago, Robbo2 said:

These injuries are really jeopardising his World Cup chances 

Think he’s nailed on for WC, Tuchel wanted him to go to Euros and he’s been in his England squads since when fit. Him and James are the RBs. 

[Menace]

Again, we've not let him recover correctly so there's a reason he keeps picking up repeat injuries. We need cover for both full backs.

 

Even in the summer he was with the U21's so that was annoying.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Menace

[tgarve]

1 hour ago, Menace said:

Again, we've not let him recover correctly so there's a reason he keeps picking up repeat injuries. We need cover for both full backs.

 

Even in the summer he was with the U21's so that was annoying.

 

 

 

This is complete conjecture

[Ronson333]

 

[TRon]

17 hours ago, Geogaddi said:

He does seem very injury prone mind , might work in our favour and put Man City off buying him.

 

 

Or at worst, if they aren't put off, we will probably get a very decent fee for a player who has tended to be injury prone. 

[Casey]

I'm annoyed by this by this injury tbh. It's not just Tino. We've been running Hall ragged too this season. They can't play so much, especially with recent injuries.

 

I said it in the summer window we needed a fullback and we've still done fuck all.
Why are we so reticent to do anything? It makes nee fucking sense. We shoulda been prepped as soon as winter window opened to sort a transfer (or loan), it doesn't need to be blockbuster.

 

Feel like the phrase 'don't let perfect be the enemy of good' applies here. Not every signing has to be a some star or massive future profit. Anyway just ranting cause it irks me.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Casey

[tgarve]

4 minutes ago, Casey said:

I'm annoyed by this by this injury tbh. It's not just Tino. We've been running Hall ragged too this season. They can't play so much, especially with recent injuries.

 

I said it in the summer window we needed a fullback and we've still done fuck all.
Why are we so reticent to do anything? It makes nee fucking sense. We shoulda been prepped as soon as winter window opened to sort a transfer (or loan), it doesn't need to be blockbuster.

 

Feel like the phrase 'don't let perfect be the enemy of good' applies here. Not every signing has to be a some star or massive future profit. Anyway just ranting cause it irks me.

 

 

 

Hall has been fine lately every game and one of our best players

 

are you suggesting we start playing A Murphy in big games? 
 

if you are annoyed about recruitment fair enough but we have 3 right backs injured and our makeshift deputy left back which is a bit unprecedented 

 

Howe will be given clear feedback on how long a player should be playing for etc , you don’t know better sitting at home moaning

 

hoping we get a defender who could play accross the back - a Ben white type 

[Casey]

2 hours ago, tgarve said:

Hall has been fine lately every game and one of our best players

 

are you suggesting we start playing A Murphy in big games? 
 

if you are annoyed about recruitment fair enough but we have 3 right backs injured and our makeshift deputy left back which is a bit unprecedented 

 

Howe will be given clear feedback on how long a player should be playing for etc , you don’t know better sitting at home moaning

 

hoping we get a defender who could play accross the back - a Ben white type 

Hall is fantastic, and I hope he is fit for foreseeable. No one mentioned young Murph, though I would have liked to see him have some playtime in the less intense games.

 

I thought it was fairly obvious the crux was being annoyed at recruitment, but recruitment and judgements on playing time sort of go hand-in-hand no?

 

If we don't recruit enough, then players play too much, if players play too much, they often pick up HSIs and similar injuries and/or re-aggravate existing issues.

 

I felt it was obvious going into the season we were light at fullback (esp LB). It's obvious now. Season start, Hall isn't available because of his ankle surgery so Tino is LB and Trips is doing substantial minutes at RB. Tino plays:

 

16/08 90+ mins

25/08 90+ mins

30/08 90+ mins

06/09 22 mins (Intl break with England)

09/09 90+ mins

13/09 90+ mins

18/09 90+ mins

21/09 90+ mins

24/09 30 mins (Bradford game)

28/09 75 mins - Injury

 

Or 11 games in what, 44 days (plus intl/travel) and almost all of them full 90s (+ added-time) before he went down. 

 

He comes back in vs Man City about 7 weeks later and plays the full 90 immediately at RB. Trips is fucked at this point and to spare the length of this post I'm not going to write all the same detail on him, except to say he was also played too much even when Krafth was available for rotation (they got injured roughly same time).

 

From the Man City to Fulham game in Dec where Tino reaggravated his injury, he played 8 games in 25 days (every 3 days), all of them 90+ minutes except for Marseille (played an hour there).

 

Now this covers some of recent history but it should be clear how this knock-on of injuries occurs from overplaying due to a lack of depth / lack of cover. These aren't freak one-offs but reoccuring/reaggravated injuries.

 

These issues will keep happening until we either a) Force rotation and play someone like young Murph, or b) Just fucking spend 20mil~ on cover that will actually play.

 

Again, a transfer or loan does not always have to be a perfect play; a Football Manager inspired move that will net 4x resale value. What is the value lost in points from having injured players out? What about the perceived value lost in their sale value if they're seen as injury-prone?

 

• 'you don’t know better sitting at home moaning'

Sorry mate but this is about as insepid and pointless of a phrase you can bandy around. If that was correct, most of this function of this forum would be useless. Feel I've made fair criticism.

 

Not to mention, physios don't have the magic eye and magic touch. They make best estimates and (very) educated guesses on how much a player can play. If they knew better, then no one would ever get repetitive injuries yeah? (going by your sentiment)

 

Not trying to be overtly confrontational here and you might not read this long ass post.

 

Totally agree though, someone like Ben White who can play across the line would be sound. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11 by Casey

[The College Dropout]

Livramento played 3500 minutes for us last season.  
200 for England.  
480 for U21

 

47 complete 90 minute matches and 53 games in total. 
 

Barely had a summer. Then back to pretty much playing 90 minutes every game. 
 

He’s overloaded and needed a proper break during summer and eased gently back. This is not evidence of ‘injury prone’. 

[wong989]

23 hours ago, Newcastle Fan said:

Either our medical team need to get their shit togther or he is just very unlucky this season.

We’ve made a habit of signing young players who despite not playing a lot of matches have suffered multiple, sometimes serious injuries, and often for big money. There may be times it’s justified, Tino justified it, but hes racking up injuries again. Willock and Ramsey, seeing their history, it’s more likely to become a Callum Wilson situation than ever exceeding what we paid for any decent length of time. Seems totally unnecessary, and we’re overpaying given the risk…on Ramsey anyway.

[Displayname]

Don't think he is particulary injury prone either. Played 37/38 PL games last season. Just missed a couple the season before.

 

Just played way too much last year.

[tgarve]

19 hours ago, Casey said:

Hall is fantastic, and I hope he is fit for foreseeable. No one mentioned young Murph, though I would have liked to see him have some playtime in the less intense games.

 

I thought it was fairly obvious the crux was being annoyed at recruitment, but recruitment and judgements on playing time sort of go hand-in-hand no?

 

If we don't recruit enough, then players play too much, if players play too much, they often pick up HSIs and similar injuries and/or re-aggravate existing issues.

 

I felt it was obvious going into the season we were light at fullback (esp LB). It's obvious now. Season start, Hall isn't available because of his ankle surgery so Tino is LB and Trips is doing substantial minutes at RB. Tino plays:

 

16/08 90+ mins

25/08 90+ mins

30/08 90+ mins

06/09 22 mins (Intl break with England)

09/09 90+ mins

13/09 90+ mins

18/09 90+ mins

21/09 90+ mins

24/09 30 mins (Bradford game)

28/09 75 mins - Injury

 

Or 11 games in what, 44 days (plus intl/travel) and almost all of them full 90s (+ added-time) before he went down. 

 

He comes back in vs Man City about 7 weeks later and plays the full 90 immediately at RB. Trips is fucked at this point and to spare the length of this post I'm not going to write all the same detail on him, except to say he was also played too much even when Krafth was available for rotation (they got injured roughly same time).

 

From the Man City to Fulham game in Dec where Tino reaggravated his injury, he played 8 games in 25 days (every 3 days), all of them 90+ minutes except for Marseille (played an hour there).

 

Now this covers some of recent history but it should be clear how this knock-on of injuries occurs from overplaying due to a lack of depth / lack of cover. These aren't freak one-offs but reoccuring/reaggravated injuries.

 

These issues will keep happening until we either a) Force rotation and play someone like young Murph, or b) Just fucking spend 20mil~ on cover that will actually play.

 

Again, a transfer or loan does not always have to be a perfect play; a Football Manager inspired move that will net 4x resale value. What is the value lost in points from having injured players out? What about the perceived value lost in their sale value if they're seen as injury-prone?

 

• 'you don’t know better sitting at home moaning'

Sorry mate but this is about as insepid and pointless of a phrase you can bandy around. If that was correct, most of this function of this forum would be useless. Feel I've made fair criticism.

 

Not to mention, physios don't have the magic eye and magic touch. They make best estimates and (very) educated guesses on how much a player can play. If they knew better, then no one would ever get repetitive injuries yeah? (going by your sentiment)

 

Not trying to be overtly confrontational here and you might not read this long ass post.

 

Totally agree though, someone like Ben White who can play across the line would be sound. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair mate, I wasn’t having a go about moaning , I just think it’s more particular than just the manager playing players too much 

[JT24]

 

[TheHoob]

[Robbo2]

[p_cowell141]

Time to switch on the fax machine at transfer HQ now?