gbandit Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: Done by Tuesday I have heard Can we get @TBG in to confirm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: Done by Tuesday I have heard Same source as your team news? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 35 minutes ago, gdm said: What? Let me rephrase it then. Like I said, you need skill. And the best teams have players that got that. But you need to be effective. I would say that football intelligence is way more important, and being effecitve. Maxi is none of that. And ya, he dosent really play anyway. I would take Barnes every day over Maxi. I´m sure Howe would do that too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 “This is my opinion, I’m sure Eddie agrees with me” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, simonsays said: It seems thay we are targeting players on relatively low wages - Barnes rather than Maddison, Tonali rather than Barella etc. IMO its a sensible tactic - the alternative is you quickly end up like man utd or chelsea where everyone that signs expects 200k+ a week. Building slowly and deliberatley isnt just about transfer fees Barnes is also more of an obvious fit for our side, I don't think anyone was sure how we would use Maddison given our formation and style of play last season. To me Barnes is a player that could conceivably score 15-20 goals for us in all competitions next season. He's not the creative type that we probably want, but there's still time to get someone like that on the right. I really think Barnes could smash it here if Howe gets his off the ball work up to standard. It would raise further questions about why we spent £45m on Gordon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/harvey-barnes-at-leicester-202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics https://theathletic.com./4241329/2023/02/24/harveybarnes-leicester-premierleague-analysis/ Edited July 8, 2023 by nufc4eva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, gbandit said: “This is my opinion, I’m sure Eddie agrees with me” yup, I take that you are not agreeing. and that's just another opinion too really. it would though be more interesting to know why instead of this reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Diabolical without any context Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, nufc4eva said: https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/harvey-barnes-at-leicester-202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics https://theathletic.com./4241329/2023/02/24/harveybarnes-leicester-premierleague-analysis/ The second article is really interesting. On that list of the most give and go goals over the last 4 years, he is top with 6. On the same list both Salah and Mane have 5. Salah and Mane benefitted a lot from Firmino dropping into space to receive the ball and then playing them in behind, or just from making runs in behind when Firmino created space from dropping deep, with other players then playing them in. Think Almiron did a great job of this kind of movement last season and he got a lot of goals from it, but we didn't have the same kind of similar threat on the left side. I think Barnes adds that balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Stats read more like an inside forward than someone who gets involved in build up play, not seen much of him at all though so I'm aware stats don't tell the full story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 45 minutes ago, STM said: Still calling bullshit on this link until some others stand it up. So far we have the telegraph and other than that journalists talking about "reports", which just refers to the telegraph anyway. Nowt from Edwards, Hope, Downie or any other journalist to confirm these reports to be true. Got to remember our journos will be told nothing until it's a formality. The noise from the Leicester end makes it sound like it'll be done and dusted by the end of next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, gdm said: Just discount his 1 in 3 goal ratio, aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, gbandit said: Diabolical without any context This is the problem with stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 I think I preferred it when football was more vibes based, rather than every cunt fancying themselves as Jonathan Wilson because they’ve spent five mins on Transfermarkt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Johnathan Wilson isn't even that stats mad either he just started it by writing in depth on tactics properly and all the xg nerds came afterwards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, KaKa said: The second article is really interesting. On that list of the most give and go goals over the last 4 years, he is top with 6. On the same list both Salah and Mane have 5. Salah and Mane benefitted a lot from Firmino dropping into space to receive the ball and then playing them in behind, or just from making runs in behind when Firmino created space from dropping deep, with other players then playing them in. Think Almiron did a great job of this kind of movement last season and he got a lot of goals from it, but we didn't have the same kind of similar threat on the left side. I think Barnes adds that balance. Miggy had a purple patch and if people expect it every season I feel their gonna be disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, gdm said: if you discount the stat that wins you games his stats are diabolical. I am smart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Also those arguing that Barnes isn't that good, that may be reflected in is spending £30m less on him than a genuine worldie in isak. The team has lacked goals, if we were less reliant on Wilson we would have been 3rd or better last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, KaKa said: The second article is really interesting. On that list of the most give and go goals over the last 4 years, he is top with 6. On the same list both Salah and Mane have 5. Salah and Mane benefitted a lot from Firmino dropping into space to receive the ball and then playing them in behind, or just from making runs in behind when Firmino created space from dropping deep, with other players then playing them in. Think Almiron did a great job of this kind of movement last season and he got a lot of goals from it, but we didn't have the same kind of similar threat on the left side. I think Barnes adds that balance. Agreed. Stats don't take into account stuff like how football works in transition, e.g., Barnes doesn't hold onto the ball to show off party tricks, he'll pick it up and release it quickly if the moment requires it, that can get the ball from a defensive position to attack very quickly. Also his team mates will trust him to release the ball so will make runs ahead of him instead of holding back to see if he wants to juggle it a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Gawalls said: Miggy had a purple patch and if people expect it every season I feel their gonna be disappointed. I was talking more about the job he did with his movement off the ball last season, as he constantly exploited spaces in behind in that manner, linking up with Bruno and Trippier numerous times. Not sure his final product will continue to be reliable though, and so would like to see another option in his position too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Would be delighted with him at ours. Have admired him for a while. Lad has talent and is a grafter, add EH managing him and I think this is smart business ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Miggy had a purple patch and if people expect it every season I feel their gonna be disappointed. I don't expect him to score as many but i do expect him to score closer to his actual level in a system suited to him where he does contribute and his running allows tripps freedom. Hate this writing off miggy/impatience to replace everyone, we can't buy £60m players for every position in one window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiresias said: I don't expect him to score as many but i do expect him to score closer to his actual level in a system suited to him where he does contribute and his running allows tripps freedom. Hate this writing off miggy/impatience to replace everyone, we can't buy £60m players for every position in one window Miggy is actually a very intelligent footballer, he has so many qualities: pace, unselfish and hard working. Just lacking venom in both his shooting and his goal hunting instincts. Even last season it felt like Howe was constantly pushing him to get into goalscoring positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, chronicfc said: Matt Law and a bunch of itk idiots don't believe it. It's made up bollocks. Fab reported it's advanced. As did Jacob Steinberg and Matt Law who from my research are Tier 2 journalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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