Harvey Barnes

[wormy]

I can understand being gutted at how off he was at times last night, the whole game was frustrating as hell. But I think the most annoying thing for me was seeing posts in reaction pining for Maxi in the match thread, as if he was some paragon of efficiency in his time (or would've even been fit if he was still here ). 

 

I know, I know, stats aren't the be all and end all. But a quick check says 2 goals and an assist in 335 minutes since joining, a goal involvement every 111 minutes. Not a bad start considering most of those minutes were off the bench and half of them after a four month layoff in which he's obviously going to need time to get up to speed.

 

I have every faith he's going to come very good in the long-term considering we've already begun to see glimpses again since that return.

[huss9]

2 minutes ago, wormy said:

I can understand being gutted at how off he was at times last night, the whole game was frustrating as hell. But I think the most annoying thing for me was seeing posts in reaction pining for Maxi in the match thread, as if he was some paragon of efficiency in his time (or would've even been fit if he was still here ). 

 

I know, I know, stats aren't the be all and end all. But a quick check says 2 goals and an assist in 335 minutes since joining, a goal involvement every 111 minutes. Not a bad start considering most of those minutes were off the bench and half of them after a four month layoff in which he's obviously going to need time to get up to speed.

 

I have every faith he's going to come very good in the long-term considering we've already begun to see glimpses again since that return.

really dont understand the current criticism of him.

someone also claimed willock had been "anonymous".

fucking hell, anyone on here ever played sport?

[jonny1403]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

Hasn't been as clinical as you'd expect in the last few matches, and that is basically his entire game and why we signed him. If he isn't clinical, he's borderline useless, as brutal as it sounds. He's the wing equivalent of an Inzaghi. 

 

Scores a crucial equaliser v Luton. 'Hasn't been as clinical as you'd expect' 

[Andy]

35 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

Scores a crucial equaliser v Luton. 'Hasn't been as clinical as you'd expect' 

 

One goal doesn't change the fact that in recent weeks he's missed some pretty good chances in general like, including in open play and from the spot yesterday. I'm sure he'd admit himself that he's not on his best form, considering at Leicester he had a reputation for being clinical for a winger. 

 

You've either deliberately or inadvertently mistook my comment as criticism for him as a player, when in fact I'm saying his bar for end product is usually extremely high. We bought him for that reason alone. I literally compared him to a wide version of Inzaghi, which is hardly a criticism. 

 

His game is almost entirely based around his movement and finishing, so when that is missing and his confidence in front of goal is low, which it certainly looked yesterday, he looks like a poor player as he doesn't offer a great deal else. 

[Ikon]

Said it since the beginning, I think it was an odd signing and a bit of a waste of money imo that should have been spent better. He’s a decent player that is a good finisher. I still stand by that. I’m not saying this because of the bad luck and that he got injured straight away. It’s based on what i thought about him even before he signed for us. 

[Pata]

12 hours ago, wormy said:

I know, I know, stats aren't the be all and end all. But a quick check says 2 goals and an assist in 335 minutes since joining, a goal involvement every 111 minutes. Not a bad start considering most of those minutes were off the bench and half of them after a four month layoff in which he's obviously going to need time to get up to speed.

 

Per 90 minutes stats don't count unless you've played at least 3000 minutes, see ASM thread last summer for confirmation. 

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by Pata

[Strawberry]

His extra time miss was horrendous. However I really liked the Leicester City Harvey Barnes and hope he will come back some time soon.

[Zero]

I think it’s a bit unfair for him to compare with ASM. I mean, our team lacks creativity and pure footballing ability and that’s what ASM is excelled at. Of course he looks like a downgrade (which is correct imo) but that’s not his fault. It’s Ashworth/Howe decision to sell ASM and buy Barnes.
 

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

I think it’s a bit unfair for him to compare with ASM. I mean, our team lacks creativity and pure footballing ability and that’s what ASM is excelled at. Of course he looks like a downgrade (which is correct imo) but that’s not his fault. It’s Ashworth/Howe decision to sell ASM and buy Barnes.
 

 

jesus christ. Not this again. Unlike ASM, he has a pretty prolific goal scoring record in the PL.

[Guest]

On 28/02/2024 at 07:26, NEEJ said:

He thrived on one-twos at Leicester, so it'll naturally take a bit of time for him to find his flow with our lot. Once it clicks I think he'll be a real asset and worth every penny.

 

As far as I'm concerned, there have been enough flashes so I'm not worried. 

I think that's very good point. It's amazing how many of his goals came from a give and go.

Really we are overloaded with players who like to play on the left (big J, Gordon, willock) because let's say Bruno was LM with tonali in the middle, I think those situations would happen regular especially on a break because Bruno has the vision and ability to play them passes.

Same can be said of Gordon of course. The problem seems to be that this season Newcastle seem to be coaxed into playing a high line where there's no space in behind where players like Barnes and isak thrive. With the whole forward line recovering from injuries and an overused midfield we just don't get from defence to attack quick enough. If players remain fit instead of recurring injuries I'm sure that will change.

[Rafalove]

On 28/02/2024 at 00:22, cubaricho said:

What?!  

 

 

Sorry for the late reply. Might have been a bit of a knee jerk reaction on my part. But still, I worry in games we don’t control, he’ll be a bit of a problem.

 

He’s made a career from being very clinical. It seems to me, a winger with poor dribbling ability will be easy to to figure out tactically. Hopefully I’m wrong.

[Guest reefatoon]

21 hours ago, huss9 said:

fucking hell.

There’s just no patience at all  everything has to be instant or it isn’t good enough. Gordon got it last year.

 

The lad has just come back from being out for months but isn’t very good / bordering on useless because he hasn’t hit the ground running instantly.

 

The biggest downside to the takeover is a section of our supports massive impatience with everything.

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by reefatoon

[Zero]

5 hours ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

jesus christ. Not this again. Unlike ASM, he has a pretty prolific goal scoring record in the PL.

 

a player can contribute more to the team than just scoring goals. I don’t quite understand why always say Barnes is a better footballer or a better fit to the team than ASM because “he score more goals”. 

Just like Wood, they can be a very useful plan B and do something that other players cannot, even they may not be the best fit to our plan A. That’s why we need a squad. This becomes even more obvious now when Howe’s main tactics no longer works.

 

Jesus Christ

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by Zero

[TheBrownBottle]

I remain a Barnes fan.  I think he offers something different from our other wingers - he’s the most clinical finisher we have on the flanks, and is very direct.  With a fit squad, he’s an excellent Gordon back-up; he’s not as talented as Gordon, but he has two excellent feet for finishing 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Barnes has a very good goals and assists output - he's more than just a finisher. Very fair to say he's a final third player though imo.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Barnes has a very good goals and assists output - he's more than just a finisher. Very fair to say he's a final third player though imo.

Aye, I was probably underplaying his other attributes tbf.  But I like having two very different players for the same position.  

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by TheBrownBottle

[Aiston]

Feels like people have been waiting to bring ASM back up to bash one of our wingers, couldn't do it with Gordon so now trying it on clearly not match fit Barnes

 

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Aiston said:

Feels like people have been waiting to bring ASM back up to bash one of our wingers, couldn't do it with Gordon so now trying it on clearly not match fit Barnes

 

 

 

Hasn’t Barnes already scored more this season than ASM last season, despite hardly playing a game ?

[gbandit]

Not to wade into the ASM debate too deeply as h always liked the lad a lot despite his major flaws but he’s only got 3 goals from 20 league games over there. He has got 9 assists which is way better than his stats over here but the quality of that league is a complete joke. Allan was a brilliant player to watch, a great character but he didn’t play effectively in a team and he often made the wrong decisions. Barnes invariably makes good decisions, understands how to play with others and is far more clinical. The debate about Barnes should centre on whether his signing was a priority or not, not whether he’s more effective than ASM which he clearly is 

[jonny1403]

1 hour ago, reefatoon said:

There’s just no patience at all  everything has to be instant or it isn’t good enough. Gordon got it last year.

 

The lad has just come back from being out for months but isn’t very good / bordering on useless because he hasn’t hit the ground running instantly.

 

The biggest downside to the takeover is a section of our supports massive impatience with everything.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely nailed it. You think people would have learned after Gordon but it doesn't stop people rehasing half-baked criticisms after the lad has played less than 10 games for us, most off the bench after a long term injury.

 

Sometimes I think our fanbase deserves everything we get.

[jonny1403]

20 hours ago, Andy said:

 

One goal doesn't change the fact that in recent weeks he's missed some pretty good chances in general like, including in open play and from the spot yesterday. I'm sure he'd admit himself that he's not on his best form, considering at Leicester he had a reputation for being clinical for a winger. 

 

You've either deliberately or inadvertently mistook my comment as criticism for him as a player, when in fact I'm saying his bar for end product is usually extremely high. We bought him for that reason alone. I literally compared him to a wide version of Inzaghi, which is hardly a criticism. 

 

His game is almost entirely based around his movement and finishing, so when that is missing and his confidence in front of goal is low, which it certainly looked yesterday, he looks like a poor player as he doesn't offer a great deal else. 

 

Of course he's not at his best form - he's started one game since September and has come back from 6 months out. 

 

Saying he looks like a poor player and isn't in the best form every time he comes off the bench for 30 minutes is just an absolutely pointless comment at this stage.

[Andy]

19 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Of course he's not at his best form - he's started one game since September and has come back from 6 months out. 

 

Saying he looks like a poor player and isn't in the best form every time he comes off the bench for 30 minutes is just an absolutely pointless comment at this stage.

 

Do you want to take my words any more out of context?

 

I said if you take away the element of the game that we signed him for - pure end product - he doesn't offer much else and can look poor. My point (which I've clarified for you and you are still completely missing) is that the people who are being critical of him as a player need to understand that when he is off form in front of goal he WILL look like a poor player. We have signed him for that clinical edge in the final third that we were missing at times last season. 

 

I don't think it's that hard to grasp tbh, but hit me up if you need me to rephrase it for the 4th time.  

[TBG]

When Barnes can do this

 

 

We'll talk.

[jonny1403]

28 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Do you want to take my words any more out of context?

 

I said if you take away the element of the game that we signed him for - pure end product - he doesn't offer much else and can look poor. My point (which I've clarified for you and you are still completely missing) is that the people who are being critical of him as a player need to understand that when he is off form in front of goal he WILL look like a poor player. We have signed him for that clinical edge in the final third that we were missing at times last season. 

 

I don't think it's that hard to grasp tbh, but hit me up if you need me to rephrase it for the 4th time.  

 

And you have missed my point completely as well - which is that saying he offers pure end product and not much else is an absolutely pointless comment when you haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to make that assessment. 

 

What are you basing that on? He started 3 or 4 games at the start of the season and that's it. Maybe actually give him some time to see what type of winger he can be when fully up to speed instead of trying to make any sort of analysis at this stage?

[huss9]

3 hours ago, reefatoon said:

There’s just no patience at all  everything has to be instant or it isn’t good enough. Gordon got it last year.

 

The lad has just come back from being out for months but isn’t very good / bordering on useless because he hasn’t hit the ground running instantly.

 

The biggest downside to the takeover is a section of our supports massive impatience with everything.

 

 

 

and people's reactions to certain players change from one day to the next.

just look at miggy, murphy etc. 

shite, decent, shite, decent.