Harvey Barnes

[LFEE]

Better from the bench for 35mins?

[timnufc22]

Why is Barnes judged differently to other players? How come others are allowed off days / up and down form, yet the moment Barnes doesn't score a worldly, he's questioned, subbed off or switched away from the LW...

[nemtizz]

38 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

Why is Barnes judged differently to other players? How come others are allowed off days / up and down form, yet the moment Barnes doesn't score a worldly, he's questioned, subbed off or switched away from the LW...

 

Wild guess but if he doesn't cut inside and finesse it top bins he has zero impact.

 

[aussiemag]

Disagree. His general play and ability to keep possession is very good. He also played some nice crosses. 

[Aiston]

8 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Why is Barnes judged differently to other players? How come others are allowed off days / up and down form, yet the moment Barnes doesn't score a worldly, he's questioned, subbed off or switched away from the LW...

 

People still upset he replaced ASM.

[Smal]

thought Joelinton kind of got in his way and dragged more defenders out wide than was necessary, which made it tough for Barnes as he was often crowded out and couldn’t create a shooting or crossing position. 

 

There are some occasions where crosses come in from the right and I feel like Barnes needs to make more of an effort to get to the back post though.

[LFEE]

8 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Why is Barnes judged differently to other players? How come others are allowed off days / up and down form, yet the moment Barnes doesn't score a worldly, he's questioned, subbed off or switched away from the LW...

Im not judging him differently. So far though there seems a glaring difference in impact between starting and being subbed on. Some players are just like that. I’m asking the question is Barnes one of them?

[HayDen Traces]

Thought he did okay yesterday, Joelinton had a chance to play him in and misplaced the pass. 

He had no chances and thats the fault of the team.

[Aiston]

10 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Im not judging him differently. So far though there seems a glaring difference in impact between starting and being subbed on. Some players are just like that. I’m asking the question is Barnes one of them?

 

He's shown time and time again he is a deserved starter throughout his career.

[LFEE]

8 minutes ago, Aiston said:

 

He's shown time and time again he is a deserved starter throughout his career.

Yeah but when he’s  showing it is that after coming off the bench? 

[timnufc22]

2 hours ago, LFEE said:

Yeah but when he’s  showing it is that after coming off the bench? 

Perhaps let the lad have a long run in the side, without being the first one to be subbed all the time aswell, to find out? 

I can imagine any player finding it more difficult to get into a rhythm when you know you know you’re not trusted as much as others even though you’ve never had a proper run in the side.

 

He scored a superb goal vs Spurs and did as good as anyone else in general play yet was dropped the next game. It’s frustrating because I see don’t necessarily  see the the likes of Murphy & Gordon being judged on the same standards.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by timnufc22

[Gallowgate Toon]

Doesn't he have 2 goals in his 4 starts this season? 

[TRon]

13 hours ago, nemtizz said:

 

Wild guess but if he doesn't cut inside and finesse it top bins he has zero impact.

 

 

He was trying to go outside yesterday, which is good otherwise he becomes too predictable. But he hasn't produced much when he's done it yet, all his impact stuff has been cutting inside.

[splinter]

We're better with Gordon on the left, sooner isak or Wilson are fit the better

[Sibierski]

Not sure what his long term future is if he can’t start after an international break where he has been with side training, and playing at home against a side where he would get joy.

 

Just play him and Gordon together, or go 3-5-2 and have the three of those two with Isak rotating as the striker options.

[jigen]

Good player. But too similar to Gordon. You have two physical LW, powerful and very direct but with little creativity.

What is the point to spend 40m for a clone of Gordon and then playing with Murphy on the right? 

[Holloway]

Is he bollocks a clone of Gordon, he is a superb finisher whilst Gordon is relatively weak in that department. Gordon regularly goes past his man, Barnes rarely does 

[andycap]

He's creative can pick a pass aswell. 

And is clinical in front of goal. 

Gordon isn't in form Barnes is. my worry is by benching Barnes when it's time to get games again his form may of gone. 

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

It is pretty bizarre at a time where we're looking impotent going forward that our sharpest shooter so far this season is getting benched.

[huss9]

they're both right footed.

play one on the right.

rotate during the games if you have to, depending on how its going

[Lush Vlad]

24 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

It is pretty bizarre at a time where we're looking impotent going forward that our sharpest shooter so far this season is getting benched.

Yep. I think that’s a negative against Howe. He seems reluctant to play what should be our best 3 and for various reasons. Seems to have decided that not shifting Gordon to the right and starting Murphy there is a better option. 

[Shadow Puppets]

Just so you know, Barnes picked up a very minor knock in training last week, hence him not starting today.

[Lush Vlad]

58 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Just so you know, Barnes picked up a very minor knock in training last week, hence him not starting today.

Fair enough and good to know. He has certainly been reluctant to do so in the past, though. 
 

I get he is obviously trying to strike a balance and he sees Gordon as the starting LW. But when Barnes is too good to sit on the bench and when the other options for RW are players that should have been moved on. Or at best, kept as back ups. Then it is a bit ridiculous that he doesn’t start and Gordon moves over and/or they rotate. 
 

I don’t think he will suddenly start playing both of them left and right. Quite a large sample size now to say he is reluctant to do so. 

[TRon]

On 19/10/2024 at 20:23, huss9 said:

they're both right footed.

play one on the right.

rotate during the games if you have to, depending on how its going

 

Playing Barnes on the right effectively takes away another goal threat since just about every goal he's scored for us has been cutting in from the left. But Gordon also wants to do that, don't think he would take kindly to being moved to the right too often.

[Doctor Zaius]

Genuinely not sure why we signed him when we had just splashed out 40M on Gordon. Either they were writing Gordon off after his fairly poor start, trusted Murphy/Almiron to do a job longer term or assumed you'd be able to play one of Gordon or Barnes on the right. All of which are wrong. 

 

We have two quality left wingers, neither of which are effective on the right, vying for one position. While we have quite obvious weaknesses elsewhere.