Vinny Green Balls Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Sempiternal said: Well we finished above them, they sold 2 of their best players, lost colwill. I don’t think we are a level above them but I do expect us to be able to Give them a competitive game, like west ham did. We are a CL club, right now, so yeah I’d expect a lot better than today. I am just saying that I am totally not surprised that we got played off the park by a really solid team. Some of the pre-match stuff about Brighton was bizarre, since they have been doing this for awhile now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J88H Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Problem lies in centre midfield. Sort out the 3, get them ticking and it will come. Edited September 2, 2023 by J88H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Warthog Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just got in, listened on the radio in the car. I'll have to watch it back to see if we were as bad as we sounded... Actually, looking at most of the comments here, I guess we were! Fair play to Brighton though. Our fans sounded class in the background late on. Still behind this team, manager, setup and all. Bad start to the season, something's out of balance, but we'll start picking up points. Enjoy the CL while it lasts, as it probably won't be back next season! ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Brighton have put in performances where they've shat on Arsenal and Man City, they've also had matches like the Everton and West Ham ones where they've come unstuck. If they're putting in a vs Arsenal/Man City performance, it just seems pointless pointing to the vs Everton/West Ham performances as a reason why we should have done better. It was so obvious that they were putting in a top performance today, everyone's passing, precision, positioning, first touch was top notch. which is odd when people say that they were only passably decent today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: I am just saying that I am totally not surprised that we got played off the park by a really solid team. Some of the pre-match stuff about Brighton was bizarre, since they have been doing this for awhile now. They are a good side no denying that, but I certainly expect us to be competitive with them. They lost two key members of their first team, maybe 3 if you count Sanchez. Yes they recruit very well, but we should at least be competitive against them. Losing is not the issue for me, it’s the manner of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) I'll recap what I said in a few of the other posts. Missing Willock or a player that can break the lines and connect midfield to attack. He used to bridge Joelnton, the wing, Isak, and everything we are not doing right now. Not sure Bruno and Tonali are that greatly suited, feels like Bruno wants to dictate the ball, but he has to be the deepest. He's also the least mobile of the three when we are countered. Tonali as a more orthodox six? We've been quite pedestrian and very predictable, our patterns of play are obvious. Prefer Isak to be more involved in the game and he's isolated up top with this midfield. Miggy is on borrowed time, as is Burn, who was Sunday league level today, and I love the bloke. Lastly, I do question our business this summer, not sure we are/were in a position to be blowing money on subs. The first 11 should be strengthened and the relegated guys make the bench. Fingers crossed Eddie gets to the bottom of this, Some of the players look a little lost with what's being asked of them and the intensity has definitely dropped off. Onwards and upwards! Edited September 2, 2023 by Oregon_Geordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Billy Warthog said: Just got in, listened on the radio in the car. I'll have to watch it back to see if we were as bad as we sounded... Actually, looking at most of the comments here, I guess we were! Fair play to Brighton though. Our fans sounded class in the background late on. Still behind this team, manager, setup and all. Bad start to the season, something's out of balance, but we'll start picking up points. Enjoy the CL while it lasts, as it probably won't be back next season! ? Don't bother watching it back, it was rancid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 That Liverpool defeat was an absolute uppercut man. No way we collapse like that if the week before hadn't happened. Some of them are shot confidence wise. This is why we have a bench. I'd make half a dozen changes. Pope Tripper Schar Botman Hall Bruno Tonali Anderson Murphy Barnes Wilson Press from the front. Don't feel sorry for anyone left out. Make them fight to get back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Sempiternal said: They are a good side no denying that, but I certainly expect us to be competitive with them. They lost two key members of their first team, maybe 3 if you count Sanchez. Yes they recruit very well, but we should at least be competitive against them. Losing is not the issue for me, it’s the manner of it. They've made a few teams, including Arsenal, look dog shit and uncompetitive though. They are more than capable of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Pope is a concern for me. I thought the goal he conceded against Villa was poor and he was at fault for two today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Think I'd have stuck with Isak on the left and not bothered bringing Barnes on at all, would have left that sub free to protect Schar or another player being injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Did the Brazilians come back from holiday yet? Hopefully soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, J88H said: Problem lies in centre midfield. Sort out the 3, get them ticking and it will come. it’s the gap between the defence and mid - it’s killing us - backline getting no protection - when we lose the ball we get exposed in that area you play with a single or double pivot and sort this out If you do play with a pivot - you then need a progressive full back on the left which is where I would play Hall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: They've made a few teams, including Arsenal, look dog shit and uncompetitive though. They are more than capable of it. And so have we. Arsenal were psychologically shot by the time they did that imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, OverThere said: Did the Brazilians come back from holiday yet? Hopefully soon. This is my biggest beef. Both were shadows. Joelinton wants to remember what made him good. He's not Bruno, he needs to drive with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Mikky said: it’s the gap between the defence and mid - it’s killing us - backline getting no protection - when we lose the ball we get exposed in that area you play with a single or double pivot and sort this out If you do play with a pivot - you then need a progressive full back on the left which is where I would play Hall But who is going to play there, I don’t think Bruno can do it alone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 IMO there’s been a drop in the quality of each of our last three opponents. From Man City to Liverpool to Brighton. We’ve looked all over the place and we’ve lost all three. If we played Villa next week I’m almost certain we’d lose. A lot of work for Howe and his team to do. A lot of self reflection required by the players as they’ve been very poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: which is odd when people say that they were only passably decent today. Also funny considering how often we laugh at opposition fans when they say "We made them look good because we played so badly" ignoring the fact that we had a big hand in them play badly, as Brighton did with us today. They actually reminded me of us at how in terms of how they suffocated us. Edited September 2, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 The 3 Centre mids were playing in a straight line. No pressing and not really protecting. Was weird. Completely alien to anything I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Sempiternal said: And so have we. Arsenal were psychologically shot by the time they did that imo. Exactly. But don't be too surprised when they make a team about their level look shit. We of course played right into their hands to help them a bit, but I find it annoying how people undervalue Brighton ever damn year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Novocastrian said: IMO there’s been a drop in the quality of each of our last three opponents. From Man City to Liverpool to Brighton. We’ve looked all over the place and we’ve lost all three. If we played Villa next week I’m almost certain we’d lose. A lot of work for Howe and his team to do. A lot of self reflection required by the players as they’ve been very poor. We can't play the same players. We just can't. They are gone, mentally. It needs a complete refresh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 centre mids stood in a line Brighton passed it through the 3 of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Swap Bruno’s position with Tonali? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, STM said: That Liverpool defeat was an absolute uppercut man. No way we collapse like that if the week before hadn't happened. Some of them are shot confidence wise. This is why we have a bench. I'd make half a dozen changes. Pope Tripper Schar Botman Hall Bruno Tonali Anderson Murphy Barnes Wilson Press from the front. Don't feel sorry for anyone left out. Make them fight to get back in. Yeah it’s not an excuse for todays display but last weekends result has clearly got to them. Liverpool absolutely have our number, the lads were desperate to hand them one and threw it away in desperate fashion. Two weeks of hard work for everyone before Brentford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Fuck knows how their 3rd isn't an OG. Pope has been boderline perfect for us (anxiety enducing passing aside) but those first 2 he was dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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