Miodrag Pivaš (On Loan at Willem II)

[papo]

Not even in their match squad today 👍

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, papo said:

Not even in their match squad today 👍

 

Their manager Eddie Van Houw likes to give players 6 months before even learning their name

[joeyt]

Another win for our loan team

[80]

22 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Another win for our loan team

THIS is the kind of thing I would like to see our Sports Director get a firm grip of.

[Guest]

Should be out on loan at one of our 17 multi-club feeder operations but no, the club are miles behind everyone

[BonesJones]

Turns out he's been waiting on a work permit so hasn't been able to train. Has been back to Serbia to train with his old team, and thought to have trained for the first time yesterday with Willem. 5th in the league just to clarify 

[Funtime Frankie]

Came on in the 90th minute today. Hoping he gets some regular game time this season to highlight his skills

[Pablo123]

2 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said:

Came on in the 90th minute today. Hoping he gets some regular game time this season to highlight his skills

Looked class, too

[joeyt]

Played a total of 9 league mins this season. Looking like another masterclass from our loan team

[stozo]

46 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Played a total of 9 league mins this season. Looking like another masterclass from our loan team

Comments like this that slag off parts of the club slightly irk me. Where would you have loaned him? He’s ineligible for work permits in most European countries so it’s a bloody tough job finding a club (a) that will sign a player who has played only in the Serbian second division (b) has a decent enough standard of football that might allow us to learn something about whether he is any good and (c) has a coaching set up that may make him better. 

[Fak]

Just now, stozo said:

Comments like this that slag off parts of the club slightly irk me. Where would you have loaned him? He’s ineligible for work permits in most European countries so it’s a bloody tough job finding a club (a) that will sign a player who has played only in the Serbian second division (b) has a decent enough standard of football that might allow us to learn something about whether he is any good and (c) has a coaching set up that may make him better. 

Brighton

[joeyt]

5 minutes ago, stozo said:

Comments like this that slag off parts of the club slightly irk me. Where would you have loaned him? He’s ineligible for work permits in most European countries so it’s a bloody tough job finding a club (a) that will sign a player who has played only in the Serbian second division (b) has a decent enough standard of football that might allow us to learn something about whether he is any good and (c) has a coaching set up that may make him better. 

 

It's not my job to identify a club for him, we pay a bunch of people to do that at our club

[Dr.Spaceman]

Remember when we missed out on that striker Leeds signed because they presented a proper plan to Arsenal I think it was? Yet it appears we're still not even asking for our players to get minutes on the pitch. Like what is the point in these loans at all? And why is it wrong to question that 

[David Edgar]

It is alright, I'm sure Shola Ameobi has got this.

[bobbydazzla]

Loan Co-ordinator

 

 

Assistant to the Loan Co-Ordinator 

 

 

 

 

You do the math 

 

 

[KaKa]

Looks like things are going to change regarding loaning out players. We need someone else heading this up, so it's good news.

 

https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2024/11/29/newcastle-chief-set-for-new-role-alongside-paul-mitchell-with-loan-move-lined-up-report/

[Dr.Spaceman]

Everything I've read about Jack Ross has made him sound like he's a really good asset to the club 

[stozo]

21 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Remember when we missed out on that striker Leeds signed because they presented a proper plan to Arsenal I think it was? Yet it appears we're still not even asking for our players to get minutes on the pitch. Like what is the point in these loans at all? And why is it wrong to question that 

I mean I think this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Pivas situation. He’s come from the Serbian Second Division, so you are incredibly restricted on loan options. The job is get him into a league of a decent standard and see if they think he has any ability. If you want guaranteed minutes, then you are probably sending him to a league where the coaching standard is far lower (not good for him) and it’s harder to assess where his talent level is (not good for us). You can’t even loan him to Gateshead as he can’t get a work permit - and the same applies in a number of European countries, hence why he’s likely gone to the Netherlands where it is far easier to get a permit. 
 

In all likelihood, Pivas is probably a signing made based on something that showed up in numbers and/or tape that looked interesting and this is effectively a 1/2 year test to see if that holds up in a league where the standard is far higher. 

[Unbelievable]

Willem 2 is not a bad club to develop as a talented player like:

[Menace]

He hasn't aged a single bit has he

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just been on Fotmob and see that he played the full game in the KNVB Cup, they lost 2-1

 

He was the most accurate passer (88%) to play 45 minutes or more, 61 out of 69 

 

 

[madras]

30 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

Just been on Fotmob and see that he played the full game in the KNVB Cup, they lost 2-1

 

He was the most accurate passer (88%) to play 45 minutes or more, 61 out of 69 

 

 

Knocked out by a 3rd division team. Not that it means much to his progression.

[Big Geordie]

Is this loan turning out to be another Shola 'special'? The lad's barely played.

[SAK]

@Big Geordie

He’s a lad from the Serbian 2nd division who has some potential, unlikely he was going to be a fixture for even a lower ranked Eredvisie side which is much higher standard. 
 

I’d imagine the plan was to get him to a country with easier work permit rules, bed him in and see how he does.

 

If he performs OK use the fact he’s played in an elite European league in his UK work permit application to get a closer look at him then decide whether to farm him out again.

[stozo]

From a brief look at Twitter, the signs are not promising for more game time at Willem any time soon. He played the full match as they got knocked out the Dutch Cup by a third tier Dutch side, and he is getting an absolute pasting for his performance from the Willem fans on Twitter. But as @SAK says, this his first season outside Serbia and first season playing in a top division, so hopefully this is a learning curve and the game time he does get enables him to get a work permit.