Marc Guehi

[ChrisMcQuillan]

5 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

Having digested this latest development (or non-development), I think it's hugely disappointing.

 

We showed under Howe in his first season, what potential we had as a team and what could be done.

 

We then had a lower finish last year despite injuries, etc... and I think that allowed us, despite a lower finish, of just what exactly we could possibly achieve.

 

The summer window was a chance to strengthen, add that extra quality that would take us back to a 4th/5th place. I'd argue it was tweaks required rather than wholesale changes.

 

If we have dropped the ball on this summer's window, it's more than just 'a window' for me. January is notoriously bad for getting deals done and getting value for money on the whole. So in reality, a 'poor' window, is actually us potentially sticking with what we have until next summer, despite pretty much everyone acknowledging that we may fall short again if we fail to add the tweaks and extra quality, to take us that x% higher.

 

If things stay as they are, we have basically allowed our progress to essentially stagnate, which I think is pretty poor and not good enough considering where we could be.

 

Others will disagree with me, and I may look back on this post at the end of the season and be proven wrong, but this is how it feels currently.

 

 

 

I think you're exactly right.

[Mazzy]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Not really, they still get a massive pay day next summer and they don’t need the money given how much selling they’ve done. 

 

Probably goes for about half that £70M they would've got now though. Plus it's a risk of disappointing the player in question, he's already had two relatively average performances this season, which could've partly been caused by this saga. Who knows what'll happen this season to affect his price for next summer.

[Tiresias]

No idea why we myopically focused on guehi. I understood did first few weeks but then... Feels amateur. Unless something changes revising my hopes for season down to 7th maximum tbh. We can't go into the season still short at back and no better going forward and expect improvement. 

[madras]

Just now, Hanshithispantz said:

If he's as good as we obviously rate him then £75-80m is probably justifiable tbf. I cannot remember us being so suicidally insistant on one player before 

If we obviously rate him at that price we'd have bid that price before now, doesn't seem like we have.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Mazzy said:

 

Probably goes for about half that £70M they would've got now though. Plus it's a risk of disappointing the player in question, he's already had two relatively average performances this season, which could've partly been caused by this saga. Who knows what'll happen this season to affect his price for next summer.

Mount went for what 70m with a year left? I reckon they get 50m for him next season no worries. 

[ExiledGeordie]

I don’t have an issue with us walking away if we feel we’ve made a fair offer. The problem is deciding this too late and leaving us short of a plan B CB.

 

Lack of CB coups really hurt us before Jan. 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[54]

I feel like as i'm getting older I just can't be arsed with negativity anymore, like objectively it'll be a poor window if we don't sign anyone, there is no disputing it, and a couple of years ago i'd probably be upset, but right now, I really just don't have the energy in me to care that much about it. Like realistically we still have owners who want us to improve, the club will still be here in 5 years, with a likely new set of players, and the world will keep on spinning, with this transfer window having been forgotten. So i'm just sat here reading all the angry posts being very "Meh, whatever, these things happen".

 

Is it just me like that?

[TRC]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Mount went for what 70m with a year left? I reckon they get 50m for him next season no worries. 

Pre PSR though, things only went to shit once people realised points deductions are coming. Transfer spend is way down YOY.

[LFEE]

Said it a while ago i feel we are building our squad akin to the way Liverpool did. Pretty sure they had a window where they wanted VVD all window and it never happened and they waited until the next window rather than squander their money elsewhere. 

 

Only difference ability aside is MG and his agent seem like they have a totally different character compared to VVD’s.

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

The club’s recruitment meetings must be absolutely absurd, surely Guehi can’t be the only name discussed or on whatever list.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Should have walked away ages ago, price we offered was already too much imo

 

Hopefully we have alternatives lined up, would be quite farcical if we end up without making a signing 

[r0cafella]

Just now, ExiledGeordie said:

I don’t have an issue with us walking away if we feel we’ve made a fair offer. The problem is deciding this too late and leaving us short of a plan B CB.

I don’t think anyone has an issue with us walking away, those articles hinting we will likely sign nobody of note and the inevitable no time left excuse is what will trigger everyone

[Sibierski]

Marc Guehi now has for force this move if he’s really set on it like we’ve been led to believe by sources. The ‘he’s not that guy’ is bollocks. Want a move, and it’s going away, you need to do something.

[jigen]

9 minutes ago, ChrisMcQuillan said:

I struggle to accept that Marc Guehi is the only player in the entire world that would improve us that Howe would accept (and we can afford, given we have £70m to spend).

 

 

Yes, but this is.. Your big problem is Howe: excellent coach but he wants also to make the market. Michell can't work. 

[Andy84]

Just now, Sibierski said:

Marc Guehi now has for force this move if he’s really set on it like we’ve been led to believe by sources. The ‘he’s not that guy’ is bollocks. Want a move, and it’s going away, you need to do something.

He won’t do that by all account s

[Lush Vlad]

9 minutes ago, TRC said:

Mings done his ACL in August and still isnt back, I think its at least April before Botmand and Jamal are back.

 

7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Mings had the same injury as them, opening day against us last season and he still isn’t back.

 

Yeah, I guess everyone heals at different speeds.  But I thought it was always sort of 7 months as a minimum.  But not back to anywhere near 100%, minutes managed etc.  But normally more like 9-12 months.  

[Andy]

I don't get the argument that Palace have made some huge blunder by not taking the money like. Parish has done exactly what you'd want your owner to do, he's kept one of his best players. 

 

In a summer where they've already lost Olise and Anderson, keeping their club captain even for another season is worth missing out on the money. 

[Collage]

12 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

I said similar regarding what we did with Botman.  Problem is, Guehi may well have better options next year and clubs offering more money or Europe.  Also, if we have another injury crisis or if even Schar is missing for a while.  Krafth at CB is hardly ideal for a team with designs on Europe.  

 

No idea on when they expect Botman and Lascelles back.  But they'll take a good while to get up to speed, you would have thought?

We have Kelly too. But yeah, the situation isn't ideal.

[ploppy43]

I really hope that at some point in the future we have the opportunity to really stiff Palace as it appears they have acted pretty unreasonably although admittedly we should not have dragged our feet quite as much

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by ploppy43

[Mazzy]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Well they aren't leaving this windows there are still at least a window and a bit to show them we aren't stagnating 

 

If we miss any opportunity to improve as a squad, we will only find ourselves further behind everyone else. We have been playing catch up for 3 years, we can't afford to slip further behind by once again not making the necessary improvements to the team. 

 

Saying "oh we'll sign someone next window" is not a good enough reason/excuse. This was that next window, this was meant to be the transformative window where we'd go that step further. Maybe it still will be, there is time of course, but it doesn't look that way currently.

[nemtizz]

What’s this baldy playing at ffs

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Said it a while ago i feel we are building our squad akin to the way Liverpool did. Pretty sure they had a window where they wanted VVD all window and it never happened and they waited until the next window rather than squander their money elsewhere. 

 

Only difference ability aside is MG and his agent seem like they have a totally different character compared to VVD’s.

 

It's a fair comparison, but unless I'm mistaken VVD and Allison were the last pieces of the Liverpool puzzle. We're a long way off that. 

EDIT: And they also bought Salah when they got VVD

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Slim]

Tbh he could play another year at Palace get sign for Liverpool next year.

[Lush Vlad]

Just now, Collage said:

We have Kelly too. But yeah, the situation isn't ideal.

 

Oh aye, for sure.  I would play him there personally at the minute with Burn.  But I do think EH is wedded to this right footer at RCB, lefty on the left.  Meaning Kelly and Burn won't play together.  

[Aiston]

£60m was overpaying for him already, £70m+ is just insane . Fair enough from Crystal Palace giving us a 'fuck off' price.

 

Move on to the next targets.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Aiston