Anthony Elanga: NUFC have bid of £45m rejected (Ornstein)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I always thought Elanga was underrated at Man U and looked very dangerous whenever he came on. Weirdly I’m not as excited now but I don’t really know why.

 

Maybe I’m buying into this idea that he’s just a pace merchant but I don’t watch him in enough detail to know if it’s actually true. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, McCormick said:

Read somewhere that it’s 50% on any profit made? Who knows, anyway. Doesn’t help either way if we want him for a “fair” ish price.

 

We do seem to be running into this issue with players we are chasing. Burnley also have a sell on fee which is inflating the fee they are asking. I guess it just comes down to which player still ends up being better value. Even with the inflated fee Elanga might not cost any more than Semenyo. 

[Froggy]

42 minutes ago, simonsays said:

@Froggy How was he seen as a player/prospect when he was at Man Utd?

 

I try and stay out of this to be honest as people get so riled up about it.

 

He looked promising under Rangnick, who was carrying on the counter-attacking style from Ole. There was a point where he was seen as valuable and was going to an important player in the future. The following season under Ten Hag though he was absolutely awful, like beyond bad. We knew he was going to be sold that summer, and when we were talking about realistic values, we thought he was worth about £5m. We were absolutely buzzing to get £15m for him.

 

He has elite pace, and can be deadly on counter attacks, but he's really not great otherwise. You're not a counter-attacking side, so I can't believe the fees being quoted for him to be honest. Howe obviously sees his physical qualities and believes he can mould him into a great player, and who am I to argue with Eddie Howe? He always had a good attitude as well and works very hard which are rare qualities these days.

 

Bottom line though is that you're one of the teams we'll be looking to compete with this year, and if your biggest signing is going to be Elanga then I wouldn't be very worried at all about you putting distance between us and I reckon we'll close the gap, as Cunha and Mbeumo are far better players IMO. We'd be quite happy for you to sign him for a fortune so we can get the money from the sell-on as well. 

 

I'm sure this will be quoted in 6 months when we're shit again and you're flying with Elanga sitting on 10 goals, but that's my genuine thoughts. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Froggy

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I try and stay out of this to be honest as people get so riled up about it.

 

He looked promising under Rangnick, who was carrying on the counter-attacking style from Ole. There was a point where he was seen as valuable and was going to an important player in the future. The following season under Ten Hag though he was absolutely awful, like beyond bad. We knew he was going to be sold that summer, and when we were talking about realistic values, we thought he was worth about £5m. We were absolutely buzzing to get £15m for him.

 

He has elite pace, and can be deadly on counter attacks, but he's really not great otherwise. You're not a counter-attacking side, so I can't believe the fees being quoted for him to be honest. Howe obviously sees his physical qualities and believes he can mould him into a great player, and who am I to argue with Eddie Howe? He always had a good attitude as well and works very hard which are rare qualities these days.

 

Bottom line though is that you're one of the teams we'll be looking to compete with this year, and if your biggest signing is going to be Elanga then I wouldn't be very worried at all about you putting distance between us and I reckon we'll close the gap, as Cunha and Mbuemo are far better players IMO. We'd be quite happy for you to sign him for a fortune so we can get the money from the sell-on as well. 

 

I'm sure this will be quoted in 6 months when we're shit again and you're flying with Elanga sitting on 10 goals, but that's my genuine thoughts. 

 

 

Against that, the Forest fans seem to love him. But then they are a counter attacking side so pace is more important than technique I guess. 

[Dr Venkman]

12 minutes ago, Roids said:

You're not allowed to say that 

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I try and stay out of this to be honest as people get so riled up about it.

 

He looked promising under Rangnick, who was carrying on the counter-attacking style from Ole. There was a point where he was seen as valuable and was going to an important player in the future. The following season under Ten Hag though he was absolutely awful, like beyond bad. We knew he was going to be sold that summer, and when we were talking about realistic values, we thought he was worth about £5m. We were absolutely buzzing to get £15m for him.

 

He has elite pace, and can be deadly on counter attacks, but he's really not great otherwise. You're not a counter-attacking side, so I can't believe the fees being quoted for him to be honest. Howe obviously sees his physical qualities and believes he can mould him into a great player, and who am I to argue with Eddie Howe? He always had a good attitude as well and works very hard which are rare qualities these days.

 

Bottom line though is that you're one of the teams we'll be looking to compete with this year, and if your biggest signing is going to be Elanga then I wouldn't be very worried at all about you putting distance between us and I reckon we'll close the gap, as Cunha and Mbuemo are far better players IMO. We'd be quite happy for you to sign him for a fortune so we can get the money from the sell-on as well. 

 

I'm sure this will be quoted in 6 months when we're shit again and you're flying with Elanga sitting on 10 goals, but that's my genuine thoughts. 

That’s a good honest post Froggy. If we buy him and I hope we do, I’m expecting the Chris Wood, Matz Sels redemption arc because none of us would have believed those two players would have that left in their locker when leaving us. Also the Eddie Howe factor. He sees something more than blistering pace and strength although that’s not to be sniffed at. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

Against that, the Forest fans seem to love him. But then they are a counter attacking side so pace is more important than technique I guess. 

 

We loved him too though. I think it's attitude that is most important when it comes to affection. We knew he wasn't good enough, but he scored that goal against Atletico and we were willing him on as he was such a good lad.

 

We loved Donny van de Beek as well. Still shit though.

[Ikon]

17 minutes ago, McCormick said:

He’s as good as Semenyo who’ll go for similar, if not more. 
 

Plus, don’t Man Utd have a 50% claim on any profit made on the deal? Would suggest that they’d need more to cover for that. 

 

 

 

As if it makes sense to compare to him who is nowhere near worth the 70m they want  (reason being they don’t want to sell him). 
 

Neither of the two are worth spending anywhere near that much on. 

[ponsaelius]

Get him in at any cost 

[McCormick]

10 minutes ago, Ikon said:

As if it makes sense to compare to him who is nowhere near worth the 70m they want  (reason being they don’t want to sell him). 
 

Neither of the two are worth spending anywhere near that much on. 

And yet despite your opinion, I’m sure they’ll both go for 60m plus to a top team. They’re both worth it imo.
 

 How much would you take for Gordon, out of interest? 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by McCormick

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, Ikon said:

As if it makes sense to compare to him who is nowhere near worth the 70m they want  (reason being they don’t want to sell him). 
 

Neither of the two are worth spending anywhere near that much on. 

 

Not sure this argument holds tbh. If he wasn't much good they would want to sell him. Maybe not for £70m but they'd probably snap your hands off at £50m surely?

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Think he would be a great signing if we also get Pedro (or similar) don't think we will however. As a stand alone RW signing, im not a massive fan. 

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

Get him in at any cost 

100m?

[Ikon]

I’m just saying that neither of them are worth 70m or near that. That’s Rodrygo kind of money if you convert to euros. Overpriced! 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Is he actually poor technically or are we just buying into the stereotype? I know he’s fast but that doesn’t mean he’s not decent at football. 

[geordie_b]

22 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

We do seem to be running into this issue with players we are chasing. Burnley also have a sell on fee which is inflating the fee they are asking. I guess it just comes down to which player still ends up being better value. Even with the inflated fee Elanga might not cost any more than Semenyo. 

 

Easy way round them. 

 

Take them on loan for a year with an obligation to buy for exactly the amount they bought them for. The difference is then paid as a loan fee which the previous club would have no claim to.

[Froggy]

14 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Read somewhere that it’s 50% on any profit made? Who knows. Doesn’t help either way if we want him for a “fair” ish price.

 

It's undisclosed, but there's no way it's 50%. That's what we put in for Greenwood and he was the crown jewel that we had to sell for a cut price.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

You didn't have to sell him, you could have terminated his contract. 

[McCormick]

It’s pricey but their profiles are fairly unique. Speedy, two-footed, pressers, who track back don’t grow on trees. There’s a reason top clubs are targeting them.

[r0cafella]

Just now, McCormick said:

It’s pricey but their profiles are fairly unique. Speedy, two-footed, pressers, who track back don’t grow on trees. There’s a reason top clubs are targeting them.

Other than us who is targeting Elanga?

[Ikon]

1 minute ago, McCormick said:

It’s pricey but their profiles are fairly unique. Speedy, two-footed, pressers, who track back don’t grow on trees. There’s a reason top clubs are targeting them.

Who else is after Elanga? Almost guaranteed no top clubs. Because he’s limited in general play. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ikon

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, Ikon said:

I’m just saying that neither of them are worth 70m or near that. That’s Rodrygo kind of money if you convert to euros. Overpriced! 

Don't think that's the market anymore. Beyond a certain point players like Rodrygo are basically unaffordable for 99.9% of teams because of how inflated the market is at the bottom. A couple of years ago Wirtz would have been a £70m player, but teams have cottoned on to the money that's going around in the PL and rightly want a bigger cut. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Crimson Cardigan]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Other than us who is targeting Elanga?

As we’ve seen, if there’s competition for a player from a cartel club, we aren’t getting them. 
 

Eddie clearly sees something in him, like he has done in plenty others NO were unenthused about. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

As we’ve seen, if there’s competition for a player from a cartel club, we aren’t getting them. 
 

Eddie clearly sees something in him, like he has done in plenty others NO were unenthused about. 

I like him, I think he's good I don't think like him At 60m though. 

 

*Edit 

 

His profile kinda of reminds me of a player Rafa would like but he'd get him for 15m or so. Different times obviously. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by r0cafella

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

You didn't have to sell him, you could have terminated his contract. 

 

In a world that doesn't make sense, sure.