Nucasol Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, Menace said: £400M for a team fighting relegation thats challenging for Europe is a very good turn on investment I’d go beyond “challenging for Europe” to say won a trophy and qualified for the UCL twice, coming from a position of having Championship level off-field infrastructure and Academy at best. We were always going to have to spent to compete because our previous owner spent nothing in nearly a decade and a half. Again, doesn’t fit the narrative though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 11 minutes ago, Menace said: Sancho - bought for £80M, loaned out season after season, will most likely leave on a free Hojlund - bought for £72M, loaned out with an option to buy for £40M Onana - bought for £50M, loaned out with no chance of even recovering 20% Antony - bought for £80M, sold for £25M with 50% sell on Pogba, bought for £80M, released on a free Theres far more examples but I genuinely can't be arsed You can keep saying Howe has spent £700M - we were fighting relegation when he took over and have received £300M in sales since - but that doesn't fit the narrative does it? £400M for a team fighting relegation thats challenging for Europe is a very good turn on investment You can't talk about narratives and then inflate fees for the craic. You've added £7m on to Sancho, £8M on to Hojlund, £5m on to Onana etc. Even more hilarious is that you've mentioned Pogba. Not only did he leave 4 years ago, but he played for us for 6 years and won multiple trophies. Just instantly makes your argument lack credibility. We've gone from a team fighting relegation to challenging for the Champions League with only £140m investment as well. Even more impressive than what Howe has done when you really think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Mason Mount £70m Fred £60m Van de Beek £40 Pogba was £100m as well. Honestly the inflating of fees is so embarrassing it doesn't even warrant a reply. Hopefully you'll be wishing your fellow Wallsend man all the best at us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 This conversation is boring and yet you bring it up weekly. Man Utd have been one of the worst ran clubs in the last 10 years yet you seem to think adding a sell on clause to Elanga/Greenwood sorts that out - have a fucking word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Thats a fair point on Pogba, the one thing you cant criticise Froggy for is he always defends his club well. And the cleanliness of his ring piece. So two things really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, Nucasol said: I’d go beyond “challenging for Europe” to say won a trophy and qualified for the UCL twice, coming from a position of having Championship level off-field infrastructure and Academy at best. We were always going to have to spent to compete because our previous owner spent nothing in nearly a decade and a half. Again, doesn’t fit the narrative though. Ashley spent half a billion tbf. Pocket change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, Froggy said: Ashley spent half a billion tbf. Pocket change. Half a billion on what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Menace said: This conversation is boring and yet you bring it up weekly. Man Utd have been one of the worst ran clubs in the last 10 years yet you seem to think adding a sell on clause to Elanga/Greenwood sorts that out - have a fucking word. I'd have been happy getting £8m for Elanga for his full transfer. Getting £8m for him through a sell-on clause is up there with us winning the treble in '99. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trx345 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Froggy said: You can't talk about narratives and then inflate fees for the craic. You've added £7m on to Sancho, £8M on to Hojlund, £5m on to Onana etc. Even more hilarious is that you've mentioned Pogba. Not only did he leave 4 years ago, but he played for us for 6 years and won multiple trophies. Just instantly makes your argument lack credibility. We've gone from a team fighting relegation to challenging for the Champions League with only £140m investment as well. Even more impressive than what Howe has done when you really think about it. Even in a bad season, you always should have been a team challenging for the Champions League. Man United have spent over a decade spending fortunes on players that have next to zero impact on improving the side's fortunes. You signed Di Maria. He'd just won a CL, and one of world's hottest players for sale - no impact. Same for Sancho, one of England's hottest talents, and probably biggest forward talents you could buy. You spent £80M? For whatever reasons, he went to Man U and his career has tanked, and not improved Man United's cause zero bit. Why is Man City get recruitment right, even Chelsea if you expand it to last 10 years - or abroad PSG, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Bayern even Juve, but Man U get it so, so wrong. Edited January 15 by trx345 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Some of you lot make it far too easy for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: I'd have been happy getting £8m for Elanga for his full transfer. Getting £8m for him through a sell-on clause is up there with us winning the treble in '99. The only feeling of winning owt you'll have for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Froggy said: Surely that would make it easier to make profit? You've spent £700m under Howe. That shoestring PSR budget. I think our spend is fairly modest when you factor in the sales and all the clauses from the likes of Sancho/Elanga etc. (thanks). That's not factoring in the loan fees and obligations to buy for players like Rashford and Hojlund either. We might need to start getting the stats out here Bobby. 1 - you go down Costcutrer and buy a basket full of yellow sticker whoopsie aisle items and see if you can make a profit on them, let us know how you get on yeah 2 - how many non-academy players have you sold for a profit or break even in the last 5 years ? 3 - £700m in 5 years when you’ve spent next to nowt for a decade is just playing catch up. Edited January 15 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Adam P said: The only feeling of winning owt you'll have for a while. We hear this all the time. The next trophy is always just round the corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: 1 - you go down Costcutrer and buy a basket full of yellow sticker whoopsie aisle items and see if you can make a profit on them, let us know how you get on yeah 2 - how many non-academy players have you sold for a profit or break even in the last 5 years ? 3 - £700m in 5 years when you’ve spent next to nowt for a decade is just playing catch up. Don't waste your time man. This is someone that was arguing Garnacho was a £60 million player last season and cited his Puskas goal as one of the reasons why. Any type of serious football discussion should not be had with this person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 46 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: His Tomasson moment.. It definitely could have lifted the pressure. He did have a few decent games in the weeks after (Liverpool, Barca, USG), before his form dropped off a cliff. He's never looked an effective sub though, any glimmer of a good performance has come from him starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trx345 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: 1 - you go down Costcutrer and buy a basket full of yellow sticker whoopsie aisle items and see if you can make a profit on them, let us know how you get on yeah 2 - how many non-academy players have you sold for a profit or break even in the last 5 years ? 3 - £700m in 5 years when you’ve spent next to nowt for a decade is just playing catch up. That figure is boosted from last summer when we spent £200M. Sad reality is a £1Bn doesn't put a dent into toppling the top teams in this league. Whilst Moyes won the Conference League, the club is aimless and a husk. How much would it cost West Ham to qualify for CL twice, and win a trophy? You could easily pump a Billion into West Ham and not take them to into the CL. If you put £700M into Leeds, would they get returns like Newcastle have had over last seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 17 minutes ago, KaKa said: Don't waste your time man. This is someone that was arguing Garnacho was a £60 million player last season and cited his Puskas goal as one of the reasons why. Any type of serious football discussion should not be had with this person. Don't waste your time replying to this Bobby. This is someone who said Elanga was worth the £55m and was desperate for him to be signed. 26 apps, 1 assist, 0 goals btw. Any type of serious football discussion should not be had with this person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 14 minutes ago, trx345 said: If you put £700M into Leeds, would they get returns like Newcastle have had over last seasons? With Eddie Howe or another top manager, it's definitely plausible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enthusiast Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 15 minutes ago, trx345 said: That figure is boosted from last summer when we spent £200M. you're right, the number does look bigger if you do sneaky things like including money we spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 36 minutes ago, Froggy said: Honestly the inflating of fees is so embarrassing it doesn't even warrant a reply. Hopefully you'll be wishing your fellow Wallsend man all the best at us! Aye I know him. I used to knock about with his wife Lisa who lived in Hadrian Park same as I did just around the corner from me in Cheadle Avenue. Already knew him from the Boys Club before they got together. and we used to always go round to Lisas parents house every New Years Eve. Nice lad. Very quiet. Quite shy really. Needless to say I hope he's a massive flop. PS those fees were lifted from transfermkt which is as accurate a source as you'll find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Froggy said: Don't waste your time replying to this Bobby. This is someone who said Elanga was worth the £55m and was desperate for him to be signed. 26 apps, 1 assist, 0 goals btw. Any type of serious football discussion should not be had with this person. Rattled! You don't have to make up lies out of desperation and shame. That's just really pathetic We're still waiting for the £60 million you were so sure Man United would get for Garnacho and his Puskas award. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Aye I know him. I used to knock about with his wife Lisa who lived in Hadrian Park same as I did just around the corner from me in Cheadle Avenue. Already knew him from the Boys Club before they got together. and we used to always go round to Lisas parents house every New Years Eve. Nice lad. Very quiet. Quite shy really. Needless to say I hope he's a massive flop. PS those fees were lifted from transfermkt which is as accurate a source as you'll find. Class. Hopefully a part of you wants him to do well. I use transfermarkt as well to be fair. Think you're looking at Euro values then still adding a few quid on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trx345 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Froggy said: With Eddie Howe or another top manager, it's definitely plausible. Eddie Howe was not a top manager when he relegated Bournemouth, and turned down Celtic. It's not plausible. 10 minutes ago, enthusiast said: you're right, the number does look bigger if you do sneaky things like including money we spent. £500M looked good on Howe. 2 CL qualifications, won League Cup, saved club from certain relegation, narrowly missed Europe. Made loads of players better. Don't think you could find grumbling on that investment. £700M now factors in Wissa, Wolte, Ramsey, Elanga, Ramsedale that have not only countered us losing Isak, but make us look a worse side. 500M in July looks good, 6months later and 700M is a different story. Edited January 15 by trx345 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 32 minutes ago, KaKa said: Don't waste your time man. This is someone that was arguing Garnacho was a £60 million player last season and cited his Puskas goal as one of the reasons why. Any type of serious football discussion should not be had with this person. Me and @Froggy aren't arguing, we're flirting. Surprised you couldn't sense the sexual tension in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Me and @Froggy aren't arguing, we're flirting. Surprised you couldn't sense the sexual tension in the air. You need to raise your standards pal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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