AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said: I love watching Murphy now. There's something incredibly simple and efficient about it. He just gets it and, no matter where he is, looks up to the front line to see where they are and try and hit them. It's very effective too, we just can't finish for shit. I love watching that part of his game, overall he still annoys me for most of the time he's on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I love watching that part of his game, overall he still annoys me for most of the time he's on the pitch This is fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 17 minutes ago, Minhosa said: I'm not sure a bloke, signed for 4 times Murphy's fee, and probably on double the wage can make a case for the same amount of patience that's been extended to Murphy tbh. He just won't get it. There's an expectation level that exists for a player signed for £55m, our third highest of all time, that simply doesn't exist for Jacob Murphy. That's just the reality. Whilst I'm not advocating the crowd getting on his back, he's also got a responsibility to do the basics both on and off the ball much much better. There is literally no excuse for ambling towards opponents, when you're without the ball, to pretend you've got any intention of actually winning it back - but rarely ever actually getting to the man to make the challenge when your speed should enable you to close them down miles quicker if you actually wanted to get there. Fee is relative to the circumstance. Elanga can perform to a much higher standard and has the stats to show it. Even from an eye test perspective basing it entirely on games he’s ripped through us he can play better. Murphy wasn’t given time. He was written off as absolutely useless. My only point was there could be an example in Murph given he’s developed into a solid enough Premier League player when we’d apparently “signed the wrong brother”. Elanga’s ceiling is much higher and despite his horrific start that no one can even argue against he’s got time to improve. He also deserves backing as the fans turning on him doesn’t seem to be working out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, St1pe said: He also deserves backing as the fans turning on him doesn’t seem to be working out. A player obviously low on confidence getting slated by the "fans" after misplacing a pass is never going to work though is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, St1pe said: Fee is relative to the circumstance. Elanga can perform to a much higher standard and has the stats to show it. Even from an eye test perspective basing it entirely on games he’s ripped through us he can play better. Murphy wasn’t given time. He was written off as absolutely useless. My only point was there could be an example in Murph given he’s developed into a solid enough Premier League player when we’d apparently “signed the wrong brother”. Elanga’s ceiling is much higher and despite his horrific start that no one can even argue against he’s got time to improve. He also deserves backing as the fans turning on him doesn’t seem to be working out. Fee may be relative to circumstance but I don't wanna engage in a footballing world where £55m doesn't guarantee you someone who can trap a ball. I made the point yesterday that Elanga is looking at a very steep mountain to climb now because of the predispositions about him across the fan base. He can literally play a blinder next week and have the ummms and ahhhs back within a fortnight if he doesn't follow it up week after week for months on end. That's because, on a technical level, he's fucking miles off what anyone should reasonably expect for £55m. He's facing a helluva challenge to succeed here imho. I sincerely hope he does tbh but he's not helped himself with his performances on the ball, even worse off the ball and the crowd haven't covered themselves in glory either. There's also the wider question of whether a winger of his profile was ever the right sort of purchase irrespective of the fact he's been honking to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Vinegar Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 If we're comparing to Murphy, the other key difference seems to be resilience. Murphy will fuck up 9 times and then do something great on attempt 10, but Elanga at the moment seems to visibly shrink after his first error. The weird thing is that currently every player in the team apart from Miley is making loads of errors each game, but it seems to get to Elanga much more (surely not helped by getting pelters from the crowd). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Scoot said: A player obviously low on confidence getting slated by the "fans" after misplacing a pass is never going to work though is it? You're right, but I don't think there's a stadium in this country that wouldn't have large sections of fans on his back after 26 largely poor performances. It's not right, but it's reality. You'd expect that a top level footballer would have the resilience to get on with it and get the basics right to improve his confidence and form, especially one who broke through in a high pressure arena like Old Trafford. I feel like there's some keeness to blame the fans for his confidence/performances, but it's up to him to show something to get those fans back on side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 In a way I feel sorry for the lad, most people called this when he signed the others had blind optimism and ‘in Howe we trust’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 33 minutes ago, Andy said: You're right, but I don't think there's a stadium in this country that wouldn't have large sections of fans on his back after 26 largely poor performances. It's not right, but it's reality. You'd expect that a top level footballer would have the resilience to get on with it and get the basics right to improve his confidence and form, especially one who broke through in a high pressure arena like Old Trafford. I feel like there's some keeness to blame the fans for his confidence/performances, but it's up to him to show something to get those fans back on side. Aye he’s a ‘top level footballer’ but he’s also just a 24-yo lad from Sweden. I’ve seen grown men with 20 years experience in their fields melt in front of 6 fat people on Video conferences. Imagine behind 24 and having 50,000 people sigh at every mistake you make at work. I get why people do it and I’ve done it. Honestly part of the theatre of going to football is the moaning. But we have to know when to do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilovetoon8788 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, St1pe said: Fee is relative to the circumstance. Elanga can perform to a much higher standard and has the stats to show it. Even from an eye test perspective basing it entirely on games he’s ripped through us he can play better. Murphy wasn’t given time. He was written off as absolutely useless. My only point was there could be an example in Murph given he’s developed into a solid enough Premier League player when we’d apparently “signed the wrong brother”. Elanga’s ceiling is much higher and despite his horrific start that no one can even argue against he’s got time to improve. He also deserves backing as the fans turning on him doesn’t seem to be working out. yes, the fans in the stadium also slating him must have shot his already fragile confidence to bits. if this continues i got a feeling he'll be telling his agent to get him a new club in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Ilovetoon8788 said: yes, the fans in the stadium also slating him must have shot his already fragile confidence to bits. if this continues i got a feeling he'll be telling his agent to get him a new club in the summer. Form an orderly queue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye he’s a ‘top level footballer’ but he’s also just a 24-yo lad from Sweden. I’ve seen grown men with 20 years experience in their fields melt in front of 6 fat people on Video conferences. Imagine behind 24 and having 50,000 people sigh at every mistake you make at work. This is true, but mentality is part of an elite athlete's package. If you're paying £55m/6 figures a week for a player, mental strength is something that should absolutely be in the equation. It's not like he came here and got booed from the first minute anyway. The fans were roaring him on earlier in the season and his form was still poor for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Boy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: You spoken to any Forest fans about him ? Yes i have actually. great on the break running with the ball and crossing to a big centre forward who attacks the ball. we do neither of them and his other aspects of his game hopelessly exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_cowell141 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, black_n_white said: What were the options at the time? The signing when it was made made sense off the back of his last season at Forest. There were much better options outside of the PL. Or at least, equivalent options for much less money. I don't think anyone has a problem with Elanga. It's more signing him (when there were alternatives, eg Akliouche) for so much which is the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Magpie Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Signed a counter attacking winger and then decided oh we want to be a possession based side - the lads a donkey though, awful first touch and shits himself when he gets the ball - did a decent touch and cross soon as he came on and it's was downhill after that for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, TRC said: In a way I feel sorry for the lad, most people called this when he signed the others had blind optimism and ‘in Howe we trust’ Very unfair categorisation. Also people have criticised nearly every signing we've made and just keep quiet when they turn out to be mint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 10 minutes ago, Boo Boy said: Yes i have actually. great on the break running with the ball and crossing to a big centre forward who attacks the ball. we do neither of them and his other aspects of his game hopelessly exposed. Basically the same as Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 15 hours ago, Astroblack said: We're a possession side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Boo Boy said: Yes i have actually. great on the break running with the ball and crossing to a big centre forward who attacks the ball. we do neither of them and his other aspects of his game hopelessly exposed. So if he's great on the break and running with ball and provides great service when supplying a big man up front, why do you say that makes him a "braindead awful footballer" ? He might be a one dimensional player who doesn't fit how we play. But according to Forest fans who know him better than us, he's not awful. Or braindead. You did get it right that he's a footballer though, I'll give you credit for that. Edited January 14 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 i don't condone it, but our fans aren't any worse than most other clubs. the likes of spurs, west ham etc are horrific. didnt arsenal fans start a petition to try and stop the Madueke signing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 7 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Aye he’s a ‘top level footballer’ but he’s also just a 24-yo lad from Sweden. I’ve seen grown men with 20 years experience in their fields melt in front of 6 fat people on Video conferences. Imagine behind 24 and having 50,000 people sigh at every mistake you make at work. I get why people do it and I’ve done it. Honestly part of the theatre of going to football is the moaning. But we have to know when to do better. I agree, I really think he’s doomed here as the pressure we’ve put the lad under is insane and just so hard to play under - he’s already been written off by so many. The audible groaning yesterday and the shouting around me about him being shit was just absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSA Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 yeah, first time I heard it on TV, when he passed back to Tonali, with the crowd expecting him to take his man on. Ironically as some have mentioned, he may find it easier away from home on Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 If Ramsey turns out to be fine-ish then it still won't have been the worst transfer window in the world even if Elanga completely flops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Very unfair categorisation. Also people have criticised nearly every signing we've made and just keep quiet when they turn out to be mint. These are lengths one must go to to massage their e-ego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, huss9 said: didnt arsenal fans start a petition to try and stop the Madueke signing? Shame it didn't work, we might've got him here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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