Conjo Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, Mazzy said: Away from home that's usually the smart move. Wolves are no mugs but I think the disappointing thing is Tonali is just as capable defensively as Longstaff, there isn't a reason other than loyalty to stick with him anymore. Except that Longstaff has had more rest and more time to prepare for the game. I know I'm being a bit contrarian here, but there's absolutely valid arguments for what Howe has done. We all want to see Tonali play as much as possible and do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Longstaff starting over Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 7 minutes ago, Conjo said: His selection clearly isn't only based on permanent first choice / bench players. Gordon and Barnes started just last game. It's clearly not performance based only either, as that would mean Barnes LW & Murphy RW with Gordon on the bench, which fwiw I bet you'd have a pre-moan about too We wouldn't have won against Tottenham if it wasn't for Murphy. Does he not deserve a chance when he does well too, or is that only applicable to our perceived best players? Murphy did well for the goal and is a good squad player, but did he (or can he) do anything like the skill Barnes pulled off for his goal? That sort of quality doesn't grow on tree’s, he always looks dangerous in the final third. It’s not to say Murphy can’t play well, hopefully has a blinder, but there’s a bigger picture to this. Barnes has STILL never had a proper run in the side and if he’s not going to get one now then I don’t see how he ever will barring injuries. Murphy has had plenty of runs in the side the last few years, we know what he can do. I know it’s about opinion but I can’t really believe that anyone deep down genuinely thinks Murphy has more ability, is more effective than Barnes or is in a better run of form. What happened to forming relationships / patterns of play between players? We could put out a top class front three over a run of games and we’re not and I don’t think Howe has any interest in playing them together for a proper run of games. I find it absolutely baffling and I feel for Barnes, who will rightly be thinking about a move away if he’s seen primarily as a bench player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 This fit malarkey makes no sense either. Gordon isak Bruno all look unfit yet start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 4 minutes ago, andycap said: No point having a strong bench if howe only uses three of the buggers of it. So you think we should shove on 6 subs every game no matter how the game is going? Ridiculous train of thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Picked Murphy for his defensive play, Barnes will come on as will Tonali; you’d expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Yep, I think I will be avoiding this place for a couple of hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I'd be fuming if I was Harvey Barnes. Longstaff will be here forever, I've come to terms with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, Mazzy said: Away from home that's usually the smart move. Wolves are no mugs but I think the disappointing thing is Tonali is just as capable defensively as Longstaff, there isn't a reason other than loyalty to stick with him anymore. There definitely is given how long Tonali has been out and is being eased back in, played a lot in the last week etc. If he's not starting regularly within the next month or so though I'll be really disappointed. Don't think that will happen, think like Bruno before him he'll force his way into the side and become undroppable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Really need to see an improved performance more than anything else today. Our away form so far has mirrored last season. Hopefully see an improvement today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, Rod said: So you think we should shove on 6 subs every game no matter how the game is going? Ridiculous train of thought. Yeah most the other teams do. Bit of fitness in there legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 13 minutes ago, madras said: I'll judge it on today's performance. Too early. Lots of moving parts etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Official account still posting lineups by shirt number and not positions man. Absolute woke nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 So we chose guaranteed mediocrity, because that must be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, STM said: Yep, I think I will be avoiding this place for a couple of hours. There is a cancer in this place. The culture is so negative. Constant moaning about every.little.thing. I personally trust our manager to do the awesome job he has been doing. LFG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Pretty predictable line up from us, only surprise I have is Hall over Kelly the rest I expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 minute ago, timnufc22 said: Murphy did well for the goal and is a good squad player, but did he (or can he) do anything like the skill Barnes pulled off for his goal? That sort of quality doesn't grow on tree’s, he always looks dangerous in the final third. It’s not to say Murphy can’t play well, hopefully has a blinder, but there’s a bigger picture to this. Barnes has STILL never had a proper run in the side and if he’s not going to get one now then I don’t see how he ever will barring injuries. Murphy has had plenty of runs in the side the last few years, we know what he can do. I know it’s about opinion but I can’t really believe that anyone deep down genuinely thinks Murphy has more ability, is more effective than Barnes or is in a better run of form. What happened to forming relationships / patterns of play between players? We could put out a top class front three over a run of games and we’re not and I don’t think Howe has any interest in playing them together for a proper run of games. I find it absolutely baffling and I feel for Barnes, who will rightly be thinking about a move away if he’s seen primarily as a bench player. I get your point and frustration, and I defenitely do not think Murphy has more ability nor is more effective in front of goal than Barnes. I just don't get worried about Barnes feelings (he can leave if he doesn't like it), or that Howe has done anything other than setting the team up to do the best it can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, Conjo said: Except that Longstaff has had more rest and more time to prepare for the game. I know I'm being a bit contrarian here, but there's absolutely valid arguments for what Howe has done. We all want to see Tonali play as much as possible and do well. Don't disagree with that and I absolutely expected Longstaff to start. But competitive games is what Tonali needed to get himself back up to speed. He's had two of those in the last week and a bit, that can't now ALSO be used as a reason not to start him. Is he rusty and not match sharp enough? or is he now overtired from playing those matches to gain sharpness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Have to record this one and watch it later but hope the lads kick their arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Just now, McDog said: Have to record this one and watch it later but hope the lads kick their arse. I’m at work til 7. Kind of glad looking at the lineup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I absolutely wish Barnes and Tonali were starting here, don't get me wrong. But I trust Howe to have made the choices for better reasons than "Jacob and Sean are good lads" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 15 minutes ago, CPL said: Longstaff I get but Murphy over Barnes?! I expected it, but I dont get it at all. Unless Eddie was very friendly with Longstaffs mom 27 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Talking about Tonali playing games midweek sounds reasonable and all, but we all know that Longstaff most like won't do much at all. Even a Tonali at 50% would be better. Why does he need to be 100%? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 It's not negative. it's a valid reason play your strongest team. If we get beat today playing inferior players then expect backlash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, andycap said: Didn't chelsea bang five in against them at molineux? So that means we'll do the same? Or atleast a certain win for us right? Is that how it works in football? Okay I'll get the bet on that right now, I'm blaming you if it doesn't come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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