Newcastle United 1-1 Manchester City - 28/09/24

[Heron]

41 minutes ago, gdm said:

Honestly if that was Haaland getting that yesterday this place would be in absolute outrage. 
 

Btw Tino’s v Barca wasn’t a pen either

 

 

 

Behave man it was two.

[Heron]

1 hour ago, NEEJ said:

Go back 20 years and a certain Mr Robert goes down every single time in that situation, mind.

Probably, but he's French. It's not diving when it's not by an English man.

[Irish Magpie]

Been waiting for a showing like that since first game of the seasn.

 

We're Back!

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, Heron said:

Speak for yourself.

 

Oh I absolutely am. Don't tell me you're still pretending it's 2015, last time I did that I ended up with about 6 different injuries in an hour and a half.

[Erikse]

3 hours ago, gdm said:

Why are you being so argumentative about it?  it’s fine to disagree. Let it go man. It’s irrelevant now. We are all glad it was given.

 

if that was given against us the same people would be up in arms. There was minimal contact much like the Jota one. The Jota one just looked worse coz he took a step before going down. 

 

 

 

 

Because it was a pen all day in todays football, and I have no idea how it even became a discussion. It's a matter of fact, not opinion. I myself wouldn't complain about the refs giving it against us at all. I would know that they had no choice.

 

Besides, I was far from the only one being "argumentative". You picked out me, but don't mind the ones agreeing with you being "argumentative". 

 

 

Edited September 29 by Erikse

[80]

6 hours ago, Erikse said:

He clearly hits his left leg, and you can't really tell with certainty that Gordon could've stayed on his feet.. It doesn't take that much at that speed. Only Gordon knows. The refs can't tell either, and the rules are not at that level of subjectivity. If they were, we would have even more inconsistent refereeing.

 

Going down easily was pretty common 15 years ago, by the way. I definetly think most players 15 years ago would go down there, even if it actually was possible to stay up. The ref will nearly allways give that on field, and that would be enough 15 years ago.

 

 

 

15 years ago was 2009 - the majority of forwards definitely would've gone down. Need to go back 25-30 years to have any confidence in them staying on their feet or being seriously condemned if they didn't.

 

Ironically, people with no foresight were using incidents like this as evidence of why we needed VAR to ensure they got ruled out. Instead it just helped formalize the process. In the post match interview, Gordon was claiming he was more likely to have shot if VAR didn't exist (not sure I believe him, mind).

[Smal]

couldn’t watch yesterday as I was at work but just watching the game back now. Our press in the opening part of the game was magnificent… the only way City could progress the ball was by going direct into Haaland, but Burn and Schar were giving him absolutely nowt.

[Erikse]

11 hours ago, LFEE said:

It’s not about enjoyment it’s just how different some of us see the game.

 

If you did that at the Lockwood Cup you’d be laughed at 

 

If a forward decides to knock the ball around a GK to score they’ve at least got to head in the direction of the ball to make an attempt to score. It was an art form in the 60’s (Greaves) onwards but sometime in the 00’/10s onwards it slowly become acceptable to run in to the GK’s arms or dangle your legs for contact and just throw your self to the ground.

 

Pleased we got it as had no confidence in AG one on one. Had every confidence in him taking the penalty.

 

 

 

 

He actually changed the direction right when he kicked it, to go to the side, in the same way you would do if you were actually trying to make it past the keeper with the ball. He was just taken down very shortly after the touch. You really need to watch it again, at both full speed and slow motion, instead of making things up.

 

Whether he was really going for pen is another discussion, but that's a discussion that doesn't really matter if we are discussing whether the ref team made the right call yesterday. They had to give it.

 

 

Edited September 29 by Erikse

[gdm]

25 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Because it was a pen all day in todays football, and I have no idea how it even became a discussion. It's a matter of fact, not opinion. I myself wouldn't complain about the refs giving it against us at all. I would know that they had no choice.

 

Besides, I was far from the only one being "argumentative". You picked out me, but don't mind the ones agreeing with you being "argumentative". 

 

 

 

You replied like 4 times it was being argumentative

[Erikse]

Just now, gdm said:

You replied like 4 times it was being argumentative

 

If I had been on your side it this, you definelty wouldn't have cared.

[gdm]

3 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

If I had been on your side it this, you definelty wouldn't have cared.

I don’t give a shit either way  that’s my point it’s nothing worth arguing about. It’s subjective people can see it different ways. It’s your it’s a penalty and no one else can see it any other way attitude is silly. I’m delighted the penalty was given and I don’t believe for a second you wouldn’t be moaning had it been the other way. Jota’s for example 

 

 

Edited September 29 by gdm

[Cronky]

1 hour ago, Tsunami said:

It’s a penalty; despite the fact that Gordon’s touch was pony. There’s contact and he’s impeded. Not sure why MOTD didn’t analyse Walker clattering into Big Jo shortly after, absolutely no intention of going for the ball.

 

The Big Joe one was more of a penalty than the Gordon one.

 

A lot of decisions seem to go by convention. If a keeper dives at a striker's feet and doesn't get the ball, then it tends to get given even if the striker is deliberately dangling their trailing leg to make contact. On the other hand, if a defender clatters into a striker to bring them down, rather than trips them up, then it usually gets seen as a fair challenge.

 

I'm not complaining. Both decisions are consistent with how the game is refereed at the moment.

[Big Geordie]

Jesus - the arguing in here re the pen. I thought it was a pen and it was given - end of debate. It's like folk who go to see a great film, then spend the aftermath picking perceived faults with it, even though they've been entertained!

 

Be happy that we played well and competed against probably the best team in the world (Currently)

[gdm]

1 minute ago, Big Geordie said:

Jesus - the arguing in here re the pen. I thought it was a pen and it was given - end of debate. It's like folk who go to see a great film, then spend the aftermath picking perceived faults with it, even though they've been entertained!

 

Be happy that we played well and competed against probably the best team in the world (Currently)

Let’s not discuss anything then

[Erikse]

10 minutes ago, gdm said:

I don’t give a shit either way  that’s my point it’s nothing worth arguing about. I’m delighted the penalty was given and I don’t believe for a second you wouldn’t be moaning had it been the other way. Jota’s for example 

 

I have been defending referee or VAR decisions that went against us before, even when few people did, when it's the rules that are the problem. I don't agree with anyone who blames the rules on the on field ref and the VAR team on the day. This is one of the few times I defend a decision that went our way, and I instanly get called biased. I guess I can only defend decision that goes against us from now on, if I want to be "balanced".

 

 

Edited September 29 by Erikse

[gdm]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

I have been defending referee or VAR decisions that went against us before, when it's the rules that are the problem. I don't agree with anyone who blames the rules on the on field ref and the VAR team on the day. This is one of the few times I defend a decision that went our way, and I instanly get called biased. I guess I can only defend decision that goes against us from now on, because that's being balanced, eh?

I’m not arsed about referees or var I’m talking purely on what I saw. Personally I thought it was very soft, you see it a different way. That’s fine. We can disagree, the world won’t end. They won’t take the goal away. Relax 

[Smal]

27 minutes ago, Smal said:

couldn’t watch yesterday as I was at work but just watching the game back now. Our press in the opening part of the game was magnificent… the only way City could progress the ball was by going direct into Haaland, but Burn and Schar were giving him absolutely nowt.

Also notable how Trippier looked much more like himself. Getting forward aggressively and going really tight to his man defensively. Commanding those around him and playing out really well.

 

He was unlucky for their goal… actually won the ball but it bounced kindly for Grealish.

[Heron]

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Oh I absolutely am. Don't tell me you're still pretending it's 2015, last time I did that I ended up with about 6 different injuries in an hour and a half.

[Heron]

19 minutes ago, Smal said:

Also notable how Trippier looked much more like himself. Getting forward aggressively and going really tight to his man defensively. Commanding those around him and playing out really well.

 

He was unlucky for their goal… actually won the ball but it bounced kindly for Grealish.

I actually thought that was poor decision making to be honest. Probably need to see it again like. There was certainly an element of misfortune though.

 

 

Edited September 29 by Heron

[Rod]

18 minutes ago, Smal said:

Also notable how Trippier looked much more like himself. Getting forward aggressively and going really tight to his man defensively. Commanding those around him and playing out really well.

 

He was unlucky for their goal… actually won the ball but it bounced kindly for Grealish.

It was a clumsy tackle that resulted in their goal.  Other than that he was ok.

[Hanshithispantz]

3 hours ago, LFEE said:

It’s not about enjoyment it’s just how different some of us see the game.

 

If you did that at the Lockwood Cup you’d be laughed at 

 

If a forward decides to knock the ball around a GK to score they’ve at least got to head in the direction of the ball to make an attempt to score. It was an art form in the 60’s (Greaves) onwards but sometime in the 00’/10s onwards it slowly become acceptable to run in to the GK’s arms or dangle your legs for contact and just throw your self to the ground.

 

Pleased we got it as had no confidence in AG one on one. Had every confidence in him taking the penalty.

 

 

 

It's never been the case that an attacker cannot knock the ball away and take the hit though. It's still a foul, whether or not it's a goalscoring opportunity dictates the card.

[Erikse]

13 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

It's never been the case that an attacker cannot knock the ball away and take the hit though. It's still a foul, whether or not it's a goalscoring opportunity dictates the card.

 

There's also the new double jeopardy rule. The fact that Edersok went for the ball matters now (in terms of red or not red).

 

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The law states: "Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off."

 

 

 

Edited September 29 by Erikse

[Ronson333]

 

[TRon]

For those arguing it wasn't a pen, where was Gordon expected to go once the keeper's basically blocked him from going past? If he tries to jump over him then he's basically lost the opportunity of getting the ball and scoring. If the keeper comes and spreads himself in front of the striker, he HAS to get the ball otherwise it's rightly a pen because he's prevented the goalscoring opportunity so well done Gordon for making the most of that illegal contact.

[Pancrate1892]

I'm a bit miffed that nobody in the media mentioned that Rodri wasn't playing? 

 

This was an important piece of information that I had to find out myself.