joeyt Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Maybe because he always brings them on when we are chasing a game ? The ideal time was to change at half time. We were really good first half, it would have been madness to change it at HT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 6 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Isak injured instead of Wilson this season, whereabouts in the table would we be currently? As if you’d blame Isak. I’m not blaming Isak. But if he taps the ball in the net to make it 3-2 (and makes it 2-2 in the Chelsea game) the table looks a lot different. Those are inexcusable moments that Howe has no control over, same as he doesn’t have control over some dreadful passes to gift them two goals (and Livepool two goals on Wednesday). I just don’t see how sacking our best manager in 20 years is in any way the solution. He needs backing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Why? The game went to shit probably due to the insane winds tbh. Because Joelinton was poor and looked physically done. Thought Tonali on for him was the obvious change. Would have helped the gap between defence and midfield again as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, joeyt said: We were really good first half, it would have been madness to change it at HT Joelinton wasn’t. He didn’t look physically up to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Truly scary how we can't sustain performances for 90 minutes. Second half today was like watching a Sunday Lesgue side as the hangover sets in. Bruno could barely move. Also sadly inevitable that Schar has a 'mare straight off the back of scoring a big goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavMcEl Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 5 minutes ago, BermyToon said: Won't be a walkover on the 18th. Although I'm raging at how shite we were/have been this season.... if given the choice I'd rather of won the QF next week, pretty obvious we'll be mid table this season, might as well have the excitement of a cup run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, HaydnNUFC said: Storms do effect football like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Good first half, car crash second. Throw anyone on when behind regardless and see what might happen attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 10 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Isak injured instead of Wilson this season, whereabouts in the table would we be currently? As if you’d blame Isak. Haven't kept up with the thread, but Isak was the one truly class performer today. Is anyone blaming him for the loss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, I don't think we should have started with the players who, when they came on, caused us to completely fall apart and all had very poor individual performances, personally. Longstaff and Murphy did more than their jobs worth today. They had nothing to do with our defending and our attacking play was good, coherent and had end product with them on. Bringing on Gordon (forcing Barnes to the right), then just throwing the kitchen sink at it with Tonali, Wilson, Almiron, Trippier all on ended our attacking threat altogether. Edited December 7 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, Roha said: As stated - I believe he has gone as far as he could. We have been awful away from home the last 2 years. Last year he could have his "injuries" excuse, it was somewhat valid. But this year we are facing the same issues, he has not fixed a single thing. We still have the gaping sea of a zone in between the midfield and defensive line. Our forwards get isolated and have nothing to play on. The 3 flat doesn't work and when you see how good Tonali works in a double-pivot for Italy it makes you really wonder what our manager is doing. Kelly has shown himself as a really poor signing, using big money on two LW's when RW was a glaring issue was a poor, poor choice. Then we made a fool of ourselves in terms of PSR due to our boardroom. Our Keeper hasn't been the same since his injury and it doesn't help that the people ahead of him is so slow that you could pass them in a wheelchair. Howe seems to not want to change his system, cant break down teams that go and pack in flat. We have one way to play, and it works against teams that doesnt want to hold back. But as soon as they park it a bit, we have nothing. Our key players are not getting any joy. And that is down to the system and the manager. Signing up to a forum only to trash the best manager we've had in decades and contribute nothing else. On the ignore list you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Conjo said: CALLED IT (almost) Congratulations on what must be the biggest achievement of your life mate Edit: Sorry @Conjo Im very bitter right now. Love you Edited December 7 by BergenMagpie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 4 minutes ago, Roha said: As stated - I believe he has gone as far as he could. We have been awful away from home the last 2 years. Last year he could have his "injuries" excuse, it was somewhat valid. But this year we are facing the same issues, he has not fixed a single thing. We still have the gaping sea of a zone in between the midfield and defensive line. Our forwards get isolated and have nothing to play on. The 3 flat doesn't work and when you see how good Tonali works in a double-pivot for Italy it makes you really wonder what our manager is doing. Kelly has shown himself as a really poor signing, using big money on two LW's when RW was a glaring issue was a poor, poor choice. Then we made a fool of ourselves in terms of PSR due to our boardroom. Our Keeper hasn't been the same since his injury and it doesn't help that the people ahead of him is so slow that you could pass them in a wheelchair. Howe seems to not want to change his system, cant break down teams that go and pack in flat. We have one way to play, and it works against teams that doesnt want to hold back. But as soon as they park it a bit, we have nothing. Our key players are not getting any joy. And that is down to the system and the manager. Still.. What would you do? Sack him and employ who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 That second half was abysmal like, no excusing it. Blame can lay with every single player and management team (maybe not Hall). Honestly just horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Maybe because he always brings them on when we are chasing a game ? The ideal time was to change at half time. That's hindsight talking, we had momentum in an attacking sense at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roha Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, BergenMagpie said: Still.. What would you do? Sack him and employ who? Thats Mitchells job. He gets paid the money to do it. It's such a poor mans argument to do the whole "who should we change him with". I don't know and thats why we have employed a man to do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Because Joelinton was poor and looked physically done. Thought Tonali on for him was the obvious change. Would have helped the gap between defence and midfield again as well. Fair enough. They scored from a floated freekick that evaded about 3 of our players though. Schar was mistiming the flight of the ball all half. I don't think it was the personel more that we dealt with the winds picking up terribly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Not a good look when no-one has a particularly good game and you get worse as the game goes on and with every change that is made. On the manager and the coaching staff really. Can’t remember a poorer second half for a long while given the standard of the opposition. Barely looked like winning a corner never mind getting a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 At the rate Botman is back, we will need Burn and Schar replacement. Defensively honking today. Tonali as 6 is really needed all game. Don't get the Tonalk dropping. He should be played as much as Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah, I don't think we should have started with the players who, when they came on, caused us to completely fall apart and all had very poor individual performances, personally. Longstaff and Murphy did more than their jobs worth today. They had nothing to do with our defending and our attacking play was good, coherent and had end product them on. Bringing on Gordon (forcing Barnes to the right), then just throwing the kitchen sink at it with Tonali, Wilson, Almiron, Trippier all on ended our attacking threat altogether. Disagree completely. Tonali makes a big difference protecting the defenders. Brentford have been good going forward at home, and we should have been wary of that. Howe can keep going with the same sort of approach though, and we'll see how it ends up. It certainly won't be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 The subs really made it apparent we didn’t really have any ideas how to regain control. Just chucking players on and hoping by force of will they can conjour something. You know things have went tits up when Miggy appears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, hakka said: At the rate Botman is back, we will need Burn and Schar replacement. Defensively honking today. Tonali as 6 is really needed all game. Don't get the Tonalk dropping. He should be played as much as Bruno. Botman being back will see Burn move to left back and Hall out of the team. No doubt about it in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, christ said: The subs really made it apparent we didn’t really have any ideas how to regain control. Just chucking players on and hoping by force of will they can conjour something. You know things have went tits up when Miggy appears. It’s akin to Bruce throwing his strikers on for defenders and hoping for the best, only for it not to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, hakka said: At the rate Botman is back, we will need Burn and Schar replacement. Defensively honking today. Tonali as 6 is really needed all game. Don't get the Tonalk dropping. He should be played as much as Bruno. I’m not convinced Tonali and Bruno are ever going to work together consistently in this system. One of them is always going to be out of position to some extent. You either change to a double pivot or you bench one, and it’s not going to be Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, Danh1 said: It’s akin to Bruce throwing his strikers on for defenders and hoping for the best, only for it not to work. Yep. It was all very un-Howe like. You can tell he’s feeling the pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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