Newcastle United 3-0 Aston Villa - 26/12/24

[Skeletor]

They're both deliberate. And the kicking the water bottle afterwards showed the mentality he was in at the time. Red mist.

[David Edgar]

Just now, KingArthur said:

In my opinion right foot stamp looks more deliberate. 

 

It is the movement with the left initially to get near to Schar which is the first tell. The right foot is also deliberate.

[David Edgar]

2 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Doesn't want to debate the daftness of saying a team looks more likely to win after 15 mins when they're a goal down and pressed a few times so that means I'm precious

 

Fairly sure you're spamming now.

[Dokko]

Emery's post match interview ranks of bitterness. Love it. 😂 

[Chris_R]

43 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Emery going bananas about the red and saying they’ll appeal. Might be wrong. But I don’t remember many genuine protests from their players. Duran and the rest of them all knew he was guilty. 
 

Genuinely don’t know what the fuck people are seeing. Had all the time in the world to get out the way. Thought the left was accidental at first, but that looks worse the more you see it. The right is not even up for debate IMO. 

 

Also, this whole ‘did he mean to’ (he clearly did) is kind of irrelevant, no? Plenty of studs up and stamp type tackles often don’t seem deliberate. But are still red cards. Curtis Jones last year at Spurs. Sadio Mane one year on Ederson for a high boot are examples that spring straight to mind. 

 

The way I look at the tackle is this... If my foot was coming down onto someone who I cared about and I didn't want that to happen, I'd find another way to land. He had options and chose not to take them.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Chris_R

[Erikse]

10 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

In my opinion right foot stamp looks more deliberate. 

 

Notice how he runs normally, and slowing down by bending his knees to avoid Schärs feet, while looking at him. But all of a sudden he decides to straighten his left leg and plant it at Schär after looking at him for a second or so to see where he is (strange how he "accidentally" put his foot there while he'd been looking straight at him). The left one looked more deliberate imo, because the movement was out of the blue. With his right foot atleast you can make the argument that he was falling.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Erikse

[David Edgar]

Just now, Chris_R said:

 

The way I look at the tackle is this... If my foot was coming down onto someone who I cared about and I didn't want that to happen, I'd find another way to land. He had options and chose not to take them.

 

 

 

 

Anyone who has played to any level knows you have near perfect situational awareness in incidents like that. You know precisely where that other player is, you know how to avoid hurting them, and you know how you can hurt them. 

 

There isn't a doubt that Duran has made a predetermined move to get near Schar with his left foot stride and then gone for the "oops my right foot landed on him accidentally and raked his back as a lost balance" move. It was clumsy and calculated.

 

The guy is a basket case. No wonder Villa wanted shot of him over the summer. He's gonna do something absolutely mental in the future. 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

I can only assume anyone who thinks John Duran couldn't move his foot whilst in mid air are massively fat and immobile or something. If you're not a sociopath and have normal motor skills your subconscious will automatically adjust your foot, he pretty much verified it when he instantly hoofed a water bottle when the VAR confirmed his dismissal. Not wired up reet,

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Hanshithispantz

[Erikse]

Also important to remember that time "moves slower" for these players. They react very fast to everything. That one second for Duran would be like 3 or more second for the man on the street. For instance you can see it when Bruno smashes that pass in to Isak, and he just casually recieves it perfectly with his left, when people like us wouldn't even have time to move until the ball had passed us.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Erikse

[wormy]

Oh I've now discovered what we've all been missing. Apparently both stamps were the absolute only directions he could've possibly gone to avoid Schar kicking him in the nuts.

[PauloGeordio]

[Ste]

After his right foot makes contact with Schar, he kicks out with it. If it’s accidental, it would plant into his back. He’s in full control, as displayed by his left foot slowing his momentum to allow the right to make contact. 

[cubaricho]

1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said:

Photoshopped as fuck  

[TheHoob]

Aye, how often are players in similar situations and manage to not stand on the opponent? There are a lot of options other than standing on someone full force, leg braced with metal studs raking into them  Surely the natural reaction is to try and avoid them, and if that can't be done, try and land on your knees/arse/anywhere but studs first, certainly not twice 

[Tsunami]

Looks to me like he intentionally gets Schar with his left as he appears to move his foot to connect with Schar. This in turn rolls his ankle and if he’d just let momentum take him he’d have fallen to his left, there was no need to plant his right boot. The more I look at it the more it looks like it took a bit of effort to stop his momentum to catch Schar with his right.

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

[Wolfcastle]

1 hour ago, David Edgar said:

 

Oh, I can't forsee sendings off like you clearly can. Sorry. 

absolutely gutted again I see. 

Yeah we were hanging on for dear life prior to the red-card, that one tame free-kick that anybody could have saved was like the alamo. "like the last 10minutes against Barcelona" thought nobody

 

 

[David Edgar]

1 minute ago, Wolfcastle said:

absolutely gutted again I see. 

Yeah we were hanging on for dear life prior to the red-card, that one tame free-kick that anybody could have saved was like the alamo. "like the last 10minutes against Barcelona" thought nobody

 

 

 

Absolutely devastated that the team who I love won against a rival for Europe. Gutted mate, yeah. 

 

Since you live for this, why don't you go through my post history from today and wallow in all my teary posts lamenting the goals we scored - which probably exist, if only for you.

[Dr Venkman]

Agree with everyone saying the left foot is deliberate. Too many getting hung up on the right foot during the game IMO. That left foot stretch is as unnatural as it comes. He deliberately stamped on him with both feet.

[JUICE690]

30 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

The way I look at the tackle is this... If my foot was coming down onto someone who I cared about and I didn't want that to happen, I'd find another way to land. He had options and chose not to take them.

 

 

 

Thought the exact the same thing.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by JUICE690

[Jonas]

How many times in football at any level even going back to when it was a lot rougher than now does that happen? Its extremely rare and seems to disproportionately involve cuntts like Ferguson's Man United, Wenger's Arsenal, the likes of Dennis Wise, dirty players and now radgies in a game with an edge in Duran. The pretend accidental stamp whilst hurdling a player (plausible deniability) is time honoured.

[El Prontonise]

Will pass it off as boxing day shite but whenever someone puts I've played football so you know nothing automatically discounts them from the argument going forward as most people who play football don't even know the rules of the game.  It's a red card under the rules imo, is it deliberate then only Duran knows.

[Wolfcastle]

12 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

Absolutely devastated that the team who I love won against a rival for Europe. Gutted mate, yeah. 

 

Since you live for this, why don't you go through my post history from today and wallow in all my teary posts lamenting the goals we scored - which probably exist, if only for you.

Just seeing the one standard morbidly pessimistic/willing defeat re-post a page back is enough for me. Probably the 10,000th time you've come a croper but keep up the bad work

[Kanj]

10 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Will pass it off as boxing day shite but whenever someone puts I've played football so you know nothing automatically discounts them from the argument going forward as most people who play football don't even know the rules of the game.  It's a red card under the rules imo, is it deliberate then only Duran knows.

 

Well said. 

[cubaricho]

The opening goal had everything we want. Tonali being combative and winning the ball and giving it immediately to Bruno, then Bruno with a creative forward pass to Big Joe who then drives it forward laying it off for Gordon to have a rip from the edge of the box. Love it.