Newcastle United 1-4 Bournemouth (18/01/25)

[Gallowgate Toon]

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

[ExiledGeordie]

11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

To be fair it did feel like Bournemouth had one of those perfect days where everything came off. That’s not to knock their performance but they had a dream day whereas we were the complete opposite. That being said the way they played stopped us in our tracks and led to even more errors, hats off to them. 
 

It was their pace, crispness of passing and sharpness that impressed me. 

 

 

Edited January 19 by ExiledGeordie

[Yorkie]

Without wishing to go overboard with praise re the visitors - cos they've had plenty - it was pretty amazing to see Brooks not only playing, given what he's been through, but playing brilliantly. Can remember when he first burst onto the scene he looked a serious talent with a glass ceiling, and I thought he looked close to that player again yesterday. Remarkable recovery. 

[duo]

10 hours ago, Disco said:

Rare to see a good old fashioned battering. Don’t think anyone bar Tonali had a passable game. Never looked at it or close to getting near it at any point even after the equaliser. 
 

Perfect away performance from the AFCB boys. Thought their midfield two were excellent. Like how Joelinton plays at his best.

It was like the perfect storm  - we just weren't at our best and Bournemouths tactics exploited that to perfection. To a man they were excellent- marked man to man, didn't give our players any space. And when we made a mistake they were quick to pounce and take advantage. They got their tactics spot on. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Struggling to accept the fatigue excuse, Bournemouth have played 4 times in 14 days, we have played 5 in same period (one against Bromley where a lot of yesterdays players didn't start) Bournemouth had to travel to Newcastle & basically have 11 players who've played virtually every minute of every game over the last 4 games / 14 days, If fatigue is going to be used as an excuse how on earth are we going to cope with European football being as we seem unable / reluctant to spend to improve squad depth ?

Bournemouth completely outplayed, outfought & outthought us on our own pitch, a bump in the road for sure but a salutary message to me that were still a long way from being competition winners (which means an awful lot to me at my stage in life) on we go 


 

[Kid Icarus]

This is the problem with WUMing, when you do what looks like a more serious post but it's still daft, it's hard to tell the difference. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

This is the problem with WUMing, when you do what looks like a more serious post but it's still daft, it's hard to tell the difference. 

Everyones different but I stand admonished, I will be changing my ways 

[Ronson333]

22 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Struggling to accept the fatigue excuse, Bournemouth have played 4 times in 14 days, we have played 5 in same period (one against Bromley where a lot of yesterdays players didn't start) Bournemouth had to travel to Newcastle & basically have 11 players who've played virtually every minute of every game over the last 4 games / 14 days, If fatigue is going to be used as an excuse how on earth are we going to cope with European football being as we seem unable / reluctant to spend to improve squad depth ?

Bournemouth completely outplayed, outfought & outthought us on our own pitch, a bump in the road for sure but a salutary message to me that were still a long way from being competition winners (which means an awful lot to me at my stage in life) on we go 


 

We’re 2-0 up after the first leg of a senior final…How on earth are we apparently ‘long way from being competition winners’? 

[Andy84]

I don’t get the “they weren’t fatigued and looked fresh and we looked fucked” argument to try and explain the performance.  As if that is somehow unacceptable and shouldn’t be the case.  A world can exist where we are legitimately fatigued and they aren’t despite the amount of games / injuries. 

 

It’s not like the two teams are exactly aligned in terms of games or personal, or takes into account the million different variables at play.  I thought they would gas but fair fucks they were excellent and we were poor.  
 

I just think they hit a moment in their season where things came together perfectly. Couple that with us being under par you get that result.  All to play for, Southampton next week and a semi final on the horizon. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 19 by Andy84

[Benwell Lad]

I think the main point I take out of yesterday, and in fairness it's been the case since his Rayo Vallecano days, is that Iraola is going to coach one of the very top teams eventually.

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

One of the biggest statistical differences between the teams yesterday was long balls, interestingly. They played twice as many and were successful with them.

 

I felt they played really good angled balls to the wingers quite a lot. Semenyo was almost like a wide target man and Tino looked lost at how to play him when this happened.

 

I can't remember us playing many successful diags or balls over the top. It was all short & safe a lot but often played into trouble when they hit the press. Felt like we were going long more in desperation than as a tactical thing.

Said this across a few threads now. I know it would bring it’s own problems and we could have been surrendering possession at times. But I feel it might have been better than slowly passing along the back until we lose it to their press. 
 

Not his game at all. But might have got Isak a bit more involved. We have players who are good on second balls and are quick. Joelinton is a good target against midfielders and wide. We have used him successfully in the past doing this. 
 

Dubravka has been great at the medium range sort of stuff. But it never seemed like something we looked to use yesterday. 

[Mikky]

16 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said:

I think the main point I take out of yesterday, and in fairness it's been the case since his Rayo Vallecano days, is that Iraola is going to coach one of the very top teams eventually.

I’d be astonished if Spurs don’t go for him in the summer

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Without wishing to go overboard with praise re the visitors - cos they've had plenty - it was pretty amazing to see Brooks not only playing, given what he's been through, but playing brilliantly. Can remember when he first burst onto the scene he looked a serious talent with a glass ceiling, and I thought he looked close to that player again yesterday. Remarkable recovery. 

 

Yeah he was excellent, brushed past Hall with ease in the first few minutes which set the tone for the game

 

Thought Christie was good for them too along with a number of others.

 

Was disappointed we didn't ever challenge their makeshift right back Cook at all

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, Mikky said:

I’d be astonished if Spurs don’t go for him in the summer

 

Yeah feels the closest thing to Pochettino they'll get

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

I don’t get the “they weren’t fatigued and looked fresh and we looked fucked” argument to try and explain the performance.  As if that is somehow unacceptable and shouldn’t be the case.  A world can exist where we are legitimately fatigued and they aren’t despite the amount of games / injuries. 

 

It’s not like the two teams are exactly aligned in terms of games or personal, or takes into account the million different variables at play.  I thought they would gas but fair fucks they were excellent and we were poor.  
 

I just think they hit a moment in their season where things came together perfectly. Couple that with us being under par you get that result.  All to play for, Southampton next week and a semi final on the horizon. 

 

 

 

 

 

To support that a trip to Chelsea away would certainly expend more energy than a game at home to wolves. 

 

Personally I think it was a tactical nightmare that exposed our greatest weakness, the ability to move the ball quickly when necessary. 

[CallumG6]

Won’t be long before Iraola gets a top job somewhere but feel like Spurs won’t be a good fit, they’re a basket case. 
 

Probably a dream of his to end up back at Bilbao at some point after his illustrious career there. 
 

Didn’t know Leeds approached him in February 2023 but were knocked back by Rayo Vallecano. 

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

To support that a trip to Chelsea away would certainly expend more energy than a game at home to wolves. 

 

Personally I think it was a tactical nightmare that exposed our greatest weakness, the ability to move the ball quickly when necessary. 

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

[80]

11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

Yeah, I don't know why the fatigue thing is so contentious. Either they were or they weren't, it doesn't really matter whether they 'should' have been tired. Then we can debate if the reasons for it are legitimate or not.

[Hanshithispantz]

I still don't undersrand how people don't think a 3.5 day rest is going to be better than a 2.5 day rest like 

 

https://sems-journal.ch/3439#:~:text=Between 2 and 3 days,et al.%2C 1982).

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As muscle glycogen repletion after a high-level football match requires between 2 and 3 days when a specific nutrition plan is provided, this fatigue can also affect the post-match fatigue.

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The results suggest that performance can be impaired for 72 hours and more. 

 

Like I said yesterday, even a later kickoff could have helped. It's not just fitness levels either, you have basically no room to prepare with such a small window between matches, both mentally and physically.

 

In hindsight we should probably have just parked the bus and tried to hit them on the break, they were so far ahead of us it was hard to watch.

 

 

Edited January 19 by Hanshithispantz

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Back to back away games against Man Utd, Spurs and then a huge semi final away at Arsenal expand more energy. Mental energy if nothing else.

True

[Hanshithispantz]

And to add, it is massively impressive how fit Bournemouth still were like. I don't think most teams in the league would have had the energy and desire they showed. Just shit luck we landed against them instead of a team who might have given us bit more 'respect'.

[The Butcher]

Been away at this remote cottage in the middle of nowhere without any internet or owt all weekend. Broke all sorts of road laws to get back to civilisation.

 

Checks score -

[Erikse]

40 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I still don't undersrand how people don't think a 3.5 day rest is going to be better than a 2.5 day rest like 

 

https://sems-journal.ch/3439#:~:text=Between 2 and 3 days,et al.%2C 1982).

 

Like I said yesterday, even a later kickoff could have helped. It's not just fitness levels either, you have basically no room to prepare with such a small window between matches, both mentally and physically.

 

In hindsight we should probably have just parked the bus and tried to hit them on the break, they were so far ahead of us it was hard to watch.

 

 

 

 

I'll probably sound like Klopp now, but in all of january there are only 2 early kick offs, and that's our away game vs Spurs, and now this after playing on wednesday evening. Fortunately we won't have any in february..

 

 

Edited January 19 by Erikse

[Erikse]

22 points in their last 10 for Bournemouth.. No losses, 6-4-0. Pretty crazy.

[Kid Icarus]

Most importantly, unless you think the players are faking it, it doesn't really matter whether they should or shouldn't be tired, they were and it was visible.

 

 

Edited January 19 by Kid Icarus