midds Posted Monday at 22:17 Share Posted Monday at 22:17 He's a D but he's only going one way from here and it's not up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted Monday at 22:18 Share Posted Monday at 22:18 CE smushed together. He was damn good at one point, and has been when called upon this year. But he's also in his mid thirties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 22:18 Share Posted Monday at 22:18 D on a good day, E on a bad day. Anyone giving any member of our team an A other than Isak has B&W specs on, mind. 2 hours ago, Shearergol said: Nothing wrong with E, mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted Monday at 22:41 Share Posted Monday at 22:41 He's a C for me. He isn't gonna tear it up anywhere but he's reliable enough like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelergol Posted Monday at 22:55 Share Posted Monday at 22:55 36 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: D on a good day, E on a bad day. Anyone giving any member of our team an A other than Isak has B&W specs on, mind. Nothing wrong with E, mind I reckon Tonali gets in most teams tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted Monday at 22:56 Share Posted Monday at 22:56 (edited) 2 hours ago, astraguy said: pathetic thread , Players view this forum and we're just entering the nitty gittty end of the season then we get this shit Which players view this forum? I voted C. Solid enough player Dubz. Edited Monday at 22:57 by Joe1984 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 23:20 Share Posted Monday at 23:20 24 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I reckon Tonali gets in most teams tbh All opinion, but not for me at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted Monday at 23:23 Share Posted Monday at 23:23 He's a c. Would be fine at any other club looking to survive all the way up to brink of Europe imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted Monday at 23:39 Share Posted Monday at 23:39 Stunned that there are so many saying C, a team full of players of his level would be absolutely fucked in the PL. Went for E, was stuck between that and D but ultimately I feel like I can make four fairly distinct tiers above Dubravka so went for the harsher option. Pleased for him that he's had a nice run recently but he's just such a poor shot stopper that I'll never feel comfortable with him starting games for us even as a backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted Tuesday at 01:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 01:15 Used to be a C, dropped to an E, has very recently performed as a D. Not sure that can last particularly long at 36. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted Tuesday at 01:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 01:22 Actually tbf in his past few games where he's done well and not really put a foot wrong, if he was a new signing and 27 you'd say he was a C. To be fair to his recent performances. But the wider context exists and it has to be taken in to account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted Tuesday at 04:03 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:03 Minority opinion here... For decades, our supporters has been absolutely spoiled with the high caliber level of keepers we have had. By spoiled, I mean that I have consistently heard and read how poor our keepers are when they have consistently been well above average in the league. Given and Harper were amazing but if you only got your information from online forums you'd think they were both poor. Krul was also great. Darlow in his day was also good. I have always felt that our keepers have had unfair scrutiny and it seems to be more pronounced within our fanbase when compared to other sets of supporters. There are three keepers in the league right now that I would say are clearly better than Dubs (and I don't think Pope is one of them). Another three or four, like Pope, that would improve some things but take us back in others. The rest (a clear majority) are a step big backward. Could we do better? Sure, if we think its a priority to spend a big slice of our transfer budget (and we are taking a risk as they would likely be outside of our league right now), but to say Dubs is a D is just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 04:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:31 22 minutes ago, CaliMag said: Minority opinion here... For decades, our supporters has been absolutely spoiled with the high caliber level of keepers we have had. By spoiled, I mean that I have consistently heard and read how poor our keepers are when they have consistently been well above average in the league. Given and Harper were amazing but if you only got your information from online forums you'd think they were both poor. Krul was also great. Darlow in his day was also good. I have always felt that our keepers have had unfair scrutiny and it seems to be more pronounced within our fanbase when compared to other sets of supporters. There are three keepers in the league right now that I would say are clearly better than Dubs (and I don't think Pope is one of them). Another three or four, like Pope, that would improve some things but take us back in others. The rest (a clear majority) are a step big backward. Could we do better? Sure, if we think its a priority to spend a big slice of our transfer budget (and we are taking a risk as they would likely be outside of our league right now), but to say Dubs is a D is just wrong. Not for me. GK has always been a troubled position for NUFC. If Keegan had spent 4m on Nigel Martyn instead of Warren Barton, NUFC wins at least one league title under him - and Martyn wasn't a world class keeper by any stretch, just a good one. Given was a good shot stopper, but his distribution and positioning on crosses (and ability against them) was mediocre to poor. Harper was as bog standard a GK as you're likely to see. Darlow was a million miles away from being good. Krul looked like he could be, but ultimately he hasn't proved to be. Dubravka was an ok PL keeper, and is not that these days - Pope is patently a better keeper, but he's on the wane too. Neither are close to good enough for next season. Given would be most people's best NUFC GK, but that doesn't mean he was a great keeper. If at some point we'd actually signed a genuine high calibre keeper, we wouldn't be hoping that next month we end a 70 year trophy drought. I'm sure we will sign one soon - and when we do, the difference will be very, very noticable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Tuesday at 08:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:01 (edited) He's a D right now, but basically an E within the next year or so, so from the club's perspective I'd treat him as an E and keep a lookout for a replacement sooner rather than later. Edited Tuesday at 08:45 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted Tuesday at 08:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:04 8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: All opinion, but not for me at the moment Tonali doesn't get in most teams? I reckon he does like. He's comfortably a starter for the majority of teams in the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted Tuesday at 08:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:45 It's a game of opinions, but the "team full of Xs" argument seems to be least credible IMO when looking at a goalkeeper's quality relative to outfield positions. Unless you're a super confident ballplaying keeper like Raya or Ederson, a goalkeeper's skillset is not transferable to outfield positions. Is shot-stopping equivalent to good technique? Is commanding your box equivalent to being fast/strong? It seems a bit thin. Surely all that is relevant are comparisons to his peer group at his position. The main thrust of Cf's definition for a C grade was that they were a PL starter, which Dubravka has been for a fair while this season without drawing so much as a raised eyebrow from inside or outside the club for being visibly out of his depth. He's not a difference maker, but: - he can join the passing game/receive the ball from his defenders, without the team descending into a Benny Hill sketch - doesn't give you palpitations when a cross come in or he decides to leave his line - is a reasonable, if not spectacular, shot-stopper Spoiler Fully expect him to drop several clangers on Wednesday now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted Tuesday at 08:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:54 Can't wait for the Sean Longstaff thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted Tuesday at 08:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:54 10 hours ago, Yorkie said: Absolute banter merchants giving an A. Easy D. Less than a year ago it was an E but he's had a great turnaround and should still be in the team imo. Some people just need taking out back and shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted Tuesday at 08:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:54 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: Can't wait for the Sean Longstaff thread. Visual representation of that thread: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted Tuesday at 08:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:57 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted Tuesday at 09:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:28 That's enough talking about Dubravka. He overall scores a D+ Next up is number 2 Kieran Trippier! I'm going to update the thread every morning so Dubravka got shafted a little bit there. Everyone else should have a full day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted Tuesday at 09:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:29 Gone from a B to a D in such a short time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted Tuesday at 09:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:30 Trippier is probably a D now really in terms of ability but have ranked him a C for his leadership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted Tuesday at 09:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:33 Trippier is between D and E for me now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted Tuesday at 09:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:35 That 1 in the poll question is quite annoying I can't work out how to get rid of it. I think it's a "question number" or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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