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36 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

D on a good day, E on a bad day.

 

Anyone giving any member of our team an A other than Isak has B&W specs on, mind.

Nothing wrong with E, mind

 

happy mondays bez GIF

I reckon Tonali gets in most teams tbh 

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2 hours ago, astraguy said:

pathetic  thread , Players view this forum and we're just entering the nitty gittty end of the season then we get this shit

 

 

 

Which players view this forum?

 

I voted C. Solid enough player Dubz.

 

 

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Stunned that there are so many saying C, a team full of players of his level would be absolutely fucked in the PL.

 

Went for E, was stuck between that and D but ultimately I feel like I can make four fairly distinct tiers above Dubravka so went for the harsher option. Pleased for him that he's had a nice run recently but he's just such a poor shot stopper that I'll never feel comfortable with him starting games for us even as a backup.

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Minority opinion here...

For decades, our supporters has been absolutely spoiled with the high caliber level of keepers we have had. By spoiled, I mean that I have consistently heard and read how poor our keepers are when they have consistently been well above average in the league. Given and Harper were amazing but if you only got your information from online forums you'd think they were both poor. Krul was also great. Darlow in his day was also good. I have always felt that our keepers have had unfair scrutiny and it seems to be more pronounced within our fanbase when compared to other sets of supporters. 

There are three keepers in the league right now that I would say are clearly better than Dubs (and I don't think Pope is one of them). Another three or four, like Pope, that would improve some things but take us back in others. The rest (a clear majority) are a step big backward. 

Could we do better? Sure, if we think its a priority to spend a big slice of our transfer budget (and we are taking a risk as they would likely be outside of our league right now), but to say Dubs is a D is just wrong.

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22 minutes ago, CaliMag said:

Minority opinion here...

For decades, our supporters has been absolutely spoiled with the high caliber level of keepers we have had. By spoiled, I mean that I have consistently heard and read how poor our keepers are when they have consistently been well above average in the league. Given and Harper were amazing but if you only got your information from online forums you'd think they were both poor. Krul was also great. Darlow in his day was also good. I have always felt that our keepers have had unfair scrutiny and it seems to be more pronounced within our fanbase when compared to other sets of supporters. 

There are three keepers in the league right now that I would say are clearly better than Dubs (and I don't think Pope is one of them). Another three or four, like Pope, that would improve some things but take us back in others. The rest (a clear majority) are a step big backward. 

Could we do better? Sure, if we think its a priority to spend a big slice of our transfer budget (and we are taking a risk as they would likely be outside of our league right now), but to say Dubs is a D is just wrong.

Not for me.  GK has always been a troubled position for NUFC.  If Keegan had spent 4m on Nigel Martyn instead of Warren Barton, NUFC wins at least one league title under him - and Martyn wasn't a world class keeper by any stretch, just a good one.

 

Given was a good shot stopper, but his distribution and positioning on crosses (and ability against them) was mediocre to poor.  Harper was as bog standard a GK as you're likely to see.  Darlow was a million miles away from being good.  Krul looked like he could be, but ultimately he hasn't proved to be.   Dubravka was an ok PL keeper, and is not that these days - Pope is patently a better keeper, but he's on the wane too.  Neither are close to good enough for next season.  Given would be most people's best NUFC GK, but that doesn't mean he was a great keeper.

 

If at some point we'd actually signed a genuine high calibre keeper, we wouldn't be hoping that next month we end a 70 year trophy drought.  I'm sure we will sign one soon - and when we do, the difference will be very, very noticable.

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8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

All opinion, but not for me at the moment 

 

Tonali doesn't get in most teams? I reckon he does like. He's comfortably a starter for the majority of teams in the division. 

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It's a game of opinions, but the "team full of Xs" argument seems to be least credible IMO when looking at a goalkeeper's quality relative to outfield positions. Unless you're a super confident ballplaying keeper like Raya or Ederson, a goalkeeper's skillset is not transferable to outfield positions. Is shot-stopping equivalent to good technique? Is commanding your box equivalent to being fast/strong? It seems a bit thin. Surely all that is relevant are comparisons to his peer group at his position.

 

The main thrust of Cf's definition for a C grade was that they were a PL starter, which Dubravka has been for a fair while this season without drawing so much as a raised eyebrow from inside or outside the club for being visibly out of his depth. He's not a difference maker, but:

 

- he can join the passing game/receive the ball from his defenders, without the team descending into a Benny Hill sketch

- doesn't give you palpitations when a cross come in or he decides to leave his line

- is a reasonable, if not spectacular, shot-stopper

 

Spoiler

Fully expect him to drop several clangers on Wednesday now.

 

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That's enough talking about Dubravka. 

 

He overall scores a D+

 

Next up is number 2 Kieran Trippier!

 

I'm going to update the thread every morning so Dubravka got shafted a little bit there. Everyone else should have a full day :)

 

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