duo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 We'd have been better of keeping Isak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Nah he'd be on strike still 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, La Parka said: Nah he'd be on strike still 😂 Isak on strike versus current Wissa is probably about the same output Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyi75 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 There would have been more loan options and it wouldn't have been as risky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 7 minutes ago, La Parka said: Nah he'd be on strike still 😂 He was under contract, we should have played hardball. I said that at the time, but I can understand why we took the money in the end. It just backfired because we wasted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyi75 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 8 minutes ago, TRon said: He was under contract, we should have played hardball. I said that at the time, but I can understand why we took the money in the end. It just backfired because we wasted it. Either you should have sold it as soon as possible, or you should have been tough and not let it go no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 37 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: Any club - certainly in England. People still laugh now at how Spurs spaffed the Bale money. That's probably going to be us for the forseeable. The only one you could consider a good buy/value for money is Thiaw, and I believe even he's a tad overrated by our fans (just a tad though). If the rest of the signings hadn’t proved to be a range of poor to unbelievably shit there’d be far more critical eyes on Thiaw. Our back line has been shite this season; and he’s really error-prone. He’s not been a bad signing but I also don’t think he’s been a really good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, The Larch said: If we bought him for £55m and sold him this summer, i guess he'd have a book value of around £44m. So if we sold him for £30m (probably ambitious) that would be a £7.5m sell on fee (assuming its % of fee, and not profit) and a £14m loss - so a loss of £21.5m. I guess hes going to cost about £11m in amortisation anyway, and another £8m in wages...so its not that much worse to sell him and take the hit. A horrendous transfer. He’s on a four year contract, so it’s closer to £14m amortised Thanks to the ridiculousness of PSR, we might actually be better off offering him a two year contract extension for the same money if we can’t unload him - it would take £6m off the books for the year … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 43 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: Any club - certainly in England. People still laugh now at how Spurs spaffed the Bale money. That's probably going to be us for the forseeable. The only one you could consider a good buy/value for money is Thiaw, and I believe even he's a tad overrated by our fans (just a tad though). I think it's still early days to be making that call. Plenty of previous signings would have looked a waste after a year (Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Gordon). Granted, while I tend to preach patience with players, I've already had enough of Wissa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Crimson Cardigan said: He was quite a clever player for Brentford IMO, as evidenced by the amount of poacher’s goals he got and his ability to improvise. A bad miss on Sunday, but at least he was in there. A couple of goals before the end of the season wouldn’t hurt our chances of shifting him… Literally the only positive was that he at least got himself into a position where he got the chance to miss. Before his exile from the team I was getting fed up of him just ambling into the penalty area and invariably not being anywhere near when the ball came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, The Prophet said: I think it's still early days to be making that call. Plenty of previous signings would have looked a waste after a year (Tonali, Barnes, Hall, Gordon). Granted, while I tend to preach patience with players, I've already had enough of Wissa. I think you’re right as a general principle, but Wissa was very much a ‘here and now signing’, which was why the club overpaid - he’s already been a pretty disastrous signing even if he has a decent season next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I think you’re right as a general principle, but Wissa was very much a ‘here and now signing’, which was why the club overpaid - he’s already been a pretty disastrous signing even if he has a decent season next season Yep, we paid a premium for him to hit the ground running and buy Nick time. No doubt he's been a poor buy in that regard. Seems a bit dense and doesn't really help himself either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Yep, we paid a premium for him to hit the ground running and buy Nick time. No doubt he's been a poor buy in that regard. Seems a bit dense and doesn't really help himself either. Ironic that it ended up being Nick who did hit the ground running before a monumental tail off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) His minutes per goal isn't as bad as you would think, he suffered that horrific injury, and hasn't been trusted to lead the line after a few under par performances on the back of that injury, much like Woltemade I would say he hasnt been managed very well. Edited April 28 by Tiotes Witch Doctor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 He had one year left on his contract too didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 minutes ago, toon25 said: He had one year left on his contract too didn't he? Two I think, not that it's much better. Giles had our pants down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said: The guy had just come of a 20 goal season. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but nobody expected the knee injury or the drop off to be as big. If we were to sign another 20 goal striker this season we would all be excited. The fact there are only two strikers over 20 goals this season shows that the guy was not as bad as people made out. Just hasn't worked out for anyone... Rule is , don't go on strike as there is a reason players need a preseason! Thiago has 21 goals at 24 in his first season. Should we sign him for £70m? Prem proven. It was always a £25m-35m transfer like we initially thought it would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Would assume the sell-on would be of the total profit on the transfer rather than any 25%. The likelihood of us making a profit on him was always going to be low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Would assume the sell-on would be of the total profit on the transfer rather than any 25%. The likelihood of us making a profit on him was always going to be low. Yeah, deffo, coz we're savvy like that and surely wouldn't do anything stupid with a transfer. The other business we did in that window clearly showed a lot of nouse and was in no way an utter shitshow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Would assume the sell-on would be of the total profit on the transfer rather than any 25%. The likelihood of us making a profit on him was always going to be low. Through all my years of football manager games that's not how it works. It's 25 percent of the sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 3 minutes ago, Slim said: Through all my years of football manager games that's not how it works. It's 25 percent of the sale. The newer football manager games have both now, 25% of the sale or 25% of the profit of the sale (other percentages are available) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 There's no way it would be profit on the Wissa deal though, imagine Brentford thinking we might sell him on for more when they've already sold him to us for twice what he's worth! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said: There's no way it would be profit on the Wissa deal though, imagine Brentford thinking we might sell him on for more when they've already sold him to us for twice what he's worth! Yeah, the age of the player has to come into question with what the sell-on percentage is based on. As said earlier, Gordon's sell on is apparently 15% of the profit we make, but he's younger had more room to improve, etc. Wissa, 28/29, £55m... nah, we we're never going to make a profit selling him on, regardless of how good this first season could have gone. So it has to be on any future fee we get. Just, nuts really. Edited April 28 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Tbf, Brentford didn't want to sell him, we just kept chucking money at them until they agreed. God knows what we might have ended up agreeing on in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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