HawK Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, Zero said: Just checked the stats Firmino in his first season, 49 games 11 goals Nick so far, 37 games 9 goals All including sub appearance Let's not let some data get in the way of a good witch hunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said: I thought Ramsay’s performance the other night might give some people pause before writing off Nick (and Wissa) entirely but… I don’t think we can sell him at a loss in the summer for PSR reasons, so we’re going to have to persist a bit longer. It’s a stretch but I don’t remember Gravenberch pulling up any trees in his first season, Wirtz has been totally ineffective until quite recently - there’s plenty of examples. the Twitter narrative that Eddie has “ruined” him is irritating - he does need to improve plenty of things even to make it as a 10 in this league. Both Ramsey and Wissa has shown that they have qualities that suits the system and Premier League in their previous club. I expect Wissa to also find some form eventually. Less confident about Woltemade. The players you mentioned from Bundes have different qualities to Wolte, and were vastly more impressive for their previous club. Edited February 12 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Crimson Cardigan said: I thought Ramsay’s performance the other night might give some people pause before writing off Nick (and Wissa) entirely but… I don’t think we can sell him at a loss in the summer for PSR reasons, so we’re going to have to persist a bit longer. It’s a stretch but I don’t remember Gravenberch pulling up any trees in his first season, Wirtz has been totally ineffective until quite recently - there’s plenty of examples. the Twitter narrative that Eddie has “ruined” him is irritating - he does need to improve plenty of things even to make it as a 10 in this league. Ramsey fits the team on paper. He's athletic enough, he needs to stamp his authority on games and maybe be stronger. Nick doesn't fit on paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Erikse said: Both Ramsey and Wissa has shown that they have qualities that suits the system and Premier League in their previous club. I expect Wissa to also find some form eventually. Less confident about Woltemade. The players you mentioned from Bundes have different qualities to Wolte, and were vastly more impressive for their previous club. Woltemade has at least shown some ability for us though. Not seen ability from Wissa. Ramsey has always shown decent technique - first touch, turn, small dribble, nice weight of pass etc. Just doesn't stamp authority on games or impact until now. But Wolte looks a bad fit which is concerning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Woltemade has at least shown some ability for us though. Not seen ability from Wissa. Ramsey has always shown decent technique - first touch, turn, small dribble, nice weight of pass etc. Just doesn't stamp authority on games or impact until now. But Wolte looks a bad fit which is concerning. Sure. I'm talking more about fit for the league and/or us, not any ability whatsoever. Physical attributes, for instance. Are there any successful striker in the PL who lacks both speed and strength to the extent that Wolte does? Edited February 12 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Erikse said: Sure. I'm talking more about fit for the league and/or us, not any ability whatsoever. Physical attributes, for instance. Are there any successful striker in the PL who lacks both speed and strength to the extent that Wolte does? I said in another post I think Wolte is a bad fit. I’m not arguing that he’s going to be a success with us. But with talent and ability there’s a chance. I doubt he can succeed here as a 9 but he does have a chance. Edited February 12 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I said in another post I think Wolte is a bad fit. I’m not arguing that he’s going to be a success with us. But with talent and ability there’s a chance. I doubt he can succeed here as a 9 but he does have a chance. Wissa was quick, direct, and had a great shot in him at Brentford. He has only been playing for 2 months after the long spell out. Every striker has a bad couple of months every now and then. Currently the problems with Wolte goes way deeper than it does with Wissa imo, and I think the chance of Wissa hitting some very good form for us is a lot higher. I think he was streaky at Brentford aswell. Ramsey doesn't have a high ceiling, but he has also been performing over longer periods in the PL. You'd hope for a bit more consistency perhaps, but those are hard for us to find, especially when we end up signing PL players that the cartel doesn't want. Edited February 12 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I still believe that it takes longer than most managers to adjust to the way Howe wants the game to be played. I’m willing to give a pass to a lot of players in the first 6 months of their time here, it wasn’t as if Isak was going wild, he spent more time in the treatment room early on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, Erikse said: Wissa was quick, direct, and had a great shot in him at Brentford. He has only been playing for 2 months after the long spell out. Every striker has a bad couple of months every now and then. Currently the problems with Wolte goes way deeper than it does with Wissa imo, and I think the chance of Wissa hitting some very good form for us is a lot higher. I think he was streaky at Brentford aswell. Ramsey doesn't have a high ceiling, but he has also been performing over longer periods in the PL. You'd hope for a bit more consistency perhaps, but those are hard for us to find, especially when we end up signing PL players that the cartel doesn't want. All of our signings have issues and concerns tbf. it seems all Brentford attackers get G/A - it’s good data but not the be all and end all for me. I think a players ceiling is reliant on their technical ability. I’ve seen nothing from Wissa there at all. Zilch. I think a players floor is more dependent on their mentality and athleticism. He’s decent at best in both. Some good movement at times but no composure, sometimes a bit lazy looking. I can’t see both he and Wolte being a success here and I hope/believe one of them will. But I don’t know who is more likey. One seems to have ability but no real track record. The other has a small track record but not seen any ability. Bad situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Haven't really read this, but what the fuck is this https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/nick-woltemade-hits-different get on the training pitch la'. He'd obviously rather just be a male model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 @Yorkie new avatar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The lad's an absolute scruff on the pitch and off it. souness.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Missed opportunity not to partner him with DCL. Them two and Gordon the most fashion-forward forward line you could get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Not to go over old ground, but his weaknesses as a striker are all very fixable with solid coaching and time on the training ground. I do recall Isak being pegged by some as a left winger and not a natural striker in his first year or so. The banter around his diet, fashion and sexuality is absolutely toe curling though. Who cares? Edited February 12 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think he’s mint and I really hope he does well for us. Having a flair player is just better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Great interview. Great lad. Great attire. Great footballer. (Maybe) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think he’s mint and I really hope he does well for us. Having a flair player is just better. Flair as in pants? Not seen much on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dokko Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Be gutted if we sold him on. Weve let him down this season. Tough one to be him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dokko said: Be gutted if we sold him on. Weve let him down this season. Tough one to be him. He is a quality player - the team just isn't set up to suit. Edited February 13 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 hours ago, The Prophet said: Not to go over old ground, but his weaknesses as a striker are all very fixable with solid coaching and time on the training ground. I do recall Isak being pegged by some as a left winger and not a natural striker in his first year or so. The banter around his diet, fashion and sexuality is absolutely toe curling though. Who cares? Isak has always been a striker. People invent weird narratives. Sometimes more withdrawn. But he’s never been a left winger or regularly played wide. Isak was widely regarded as a talented wonderkid striker but he flopped at Dortmund and had a bad season at Sociedad. I like Woltemade but his career or reputation prior to joining us wasn’t that high until 2025. He was always going to require a lot more development than Isak. Woltemade wasn’t regarded as the same level of talent at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I don't know if Wissa coming back from injury made things harder for us. When we only had Woltemade we had to change our style to suit, he scored a few. When Wissa returned, we tried going back to our usual way (no issues with that), but it's meant we're chopping & changing too much in game just based on one sub, or we're playing same way even when Woltemade comes on and it's not suitable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Isak has always been a striker. People invent weird narratives. Sometimes more withdrawn. But he’s never been a left winger or regularly played wide. Isak was widely regarded as a talented wonderkid striker but he flopped at Dortmund and had a bad season at Sociedad. I like Woltemade but his career or reputation prior to joining us wasn’t that high until 2025. He was always going to require a lot more development than Isak. Woltemade wasn’t regarded as the same level of talent at all. I agree with most of that. Last season was Woltamade's breakthrough season, he's still very much learning his trade. Isak had a solid debut season, but Howe and the coaches developed his game to become an efficient penalty box striker, which is ultimately what Woltamade should aim to become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 It would be interested to know what Eddie thought on Nick - where as you can see someone like Ekitike would fit into our current system did Eddie think the same for Nick or did he plan to change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I'd love to see him bulk up over the summer. For someone as big as he is, he loses far too many physical duels with defenders when receiving the ball. A little incremental change like that could make a whole lot of difference to our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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