Mr Misery Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, TRC said: Dont you get more room with PSR if in Europe under the new rules? The BBC article from today reckons teams are better off not being in the Conference League: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp8dxz6173xo Edited March 24 by Mr Misery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I don't fancy the Conference League but if qualification is absolutely necessary to keep Howe in the job then bring on Breidablik's low block. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Funtime Frankie said: I think the competition would be good for the new signings we get over the summer especially the younger players. Also giving game time to Neave and other youngsters. Chelsea won the competition with just their kids only going full strength for final. True but I don’t see Eddie rotating much, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, TRon said: It's another cup at the end of the day. Not like we have loads others on the shelf in the last half century. Also true, maybe it’s just wishful thinking from my side, but at this Point I want us to be Euro League regulars with the odd CL campaign every now and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Conference league has the potential for some tasty away games for us as fans but I think as a club we could do well to avoid it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: Conference league has the potential for some tasty away games for us as fans but I think as a club we could do well to avoid it. Even more Sunday games fucking awful competition. They’ve degrade all the European competitions but at least the Europa League still has a semblance of credibility and the final isn’t played in a non-league ground in Outer Mongolia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Even more Sunday games fucking awful competition. They’ve degrade all the European competitions but at least the Europa League still has a semblance of credibility and the final isn’t played in a non-league ground in Outer Mongolia. Yeah I agree. Hate that I’m turning my nose up to European football and a potential session in southern Europe in autumn but I think it’d be more hassle than it’s worth for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Makams have more chance than us of European football statistically speaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, Yorkie said: I don't fancy the Conference League but if qualification is absolutely necessary to keep Howe in the job then bring on Breidablik's low block. Conference league is a must, I’ve still got another year on my TNT sports contract! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 16 hours ago, TRC said: Dont you get more room with PSR if in Europe under the new rules? I thought it was slightly worse? SCR (replacing PSR from next season) allows you to spend up to 85% of the squad value/revenue or whatever.... but if in Europe it drops to 70%, is that right? Obviously being in the CL, the revenues from that would outweigh the SCR impact, but Europe League/Conference leagues.... potentially not so much. Happy to be corrected on the above though. Edited March 25 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Misery Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TK-421 said: I thought it was slightly worse? SCR (replacing PSR from next season) allows you to spend up to 85% of the squad value/revenue or whatever.... but if in Europe it drops to 70%, is that right? Obviously being in the CL, the revenues from that would outweigh the SCR impact, but Europe League/Conference leagues.... potentially not so much. Happy to be corrected on the above though. You are correct.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp8dxz6173xo "Newcastle face a battle to qualify for Europe - but not making it could be a positive. Stay with us while we explain. Uefa's SCR system limits clubs in European competition to spending 70% of their income. A club not in Europe would be able to go to 85% or above under the Premier League rules, designed to give teams not in continental competition some extra space to compete. To show the impact by analysing the 2023-24 figures, West Ham (£267m) and Brighton (£276m) would have had bigger budgets than Newcastle, had these rules been in place. And this is further underlined by another quirk which means being in the Conference League could be the worst thing financially. The winners of the competition only earn about £20m, yet must work to the 70% rule. The difference between 70% and 85%, based on the 2023-24 figures? At least £33m less to spend. Newcastle would prefer the riches of the Champions League, though even that competition further entrenches the position of the biggest clubs. Uefa gives bonus payments under the 'value pillar', partly based on a club's coefficient. It rewards historical success. For this season's league phase, Swiss Ramble calculated, external that Newcastle received £47m. But Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City were all paid in excess of £79m." Edited March 25 by Mr Misery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristov Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 We can also spend up to 115% in certain circumstances: https://gis.sport/news/what-is-premier-league-squad-cost-ratio-scr-rules-explained/ Scenario 1: Fully Compliant Let’s say a club begins their season with a predicted revenue of £100 million. Its Green Threshold (85%) therefore allows £85 million to be spent on squad costs. Its Red Threshold (115%) is £115 million—30% above the Green. During the season, the club is performing as expected and only spends, for example, £80 million on its squad. It is therefore fully compliant with SCR, and no further action is needed. Scenario 2: Between the Thresholds (85%-115%) In this scenario, the same club spends £90 million. It is therefore at a Squad Cost Ratio of 90%. The club would then be assessed by the Premier League at the end of that season in June using its actual revenues and costs. If it is indeed found to be above 85%, it may face a levy. As the spending was 5% over the threshold, the following season would see its Red Threshold decrease by 5% to 110%. If it was then fully compliant the season after that, the threshold would rise back up to its original 115%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 As long as the penalty is financial rather than sporting then it's more like a strategic decision about how much you spend. Similar in baseball where you can spend over the limit and just pay a luxury tax. Even the points deduction is fixed and known, so I suppose you could even swallow that in desperate circumstances. Obviously anything based on revenue still benefits the already-rich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 17 hours ago, lovejoy said: We’re 4 points off Europe, it’s hardly the craziest suggestion that we’ll make it. We've been saying something like that all season but it doesn't matter if you're 1 point or a million points off if you're not capable of making them up. We've shown absolutely nothing this season to suggest we'll bring in points at a higher rate than the clubs above us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 16 hours ago, Yorkie said: I don't fancy the Conference League but if qualification is absolutely necessary to keep Howe in the job then bring on Breidablik's low block. I know where you’re coming from - just to add, I’d like to be for it for these reasons: - we’ve got a chance of winning it - we’d likely get to play some clubs we haven’t played before (I really did find our CL campaign this season a total bore fest - in part because we’d played almost all the clubs before in my lifetime) - it gives us the chance to build our coefficient - we might even bag another trophy Edited March 25 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) Article from KICKER, Germany's leading sports magazine: Even Nagelsmann is wondering: Will Howe survive his biggest crisis in Newcastle? A debacle in Barcelona, defeats against their arch-rivals, and a dig from Julian Nagelsmann: Eddie Howe is going through his toughest crisis as Newcastle manager – with an uncertain outcome. Newcastle United went into the international break with a defeat that will resonate not only because they have three weeks to process it due to the unusual fixture schedule. The 1-2 loss against arch-rivals AFC Sunderland was so devastating for the Magpies that even their usually composed manager didn't mince words in the subsequent criticism. "You can use any word you want, I'm not going to dispute it," sighed Eddie Howe at his press conference on Sunday. "There's no excuse for not delivering." And because this isn't the first time his team has suffered such a setback, there are serious questions plaguing Newcastle that will require answers by the summer at the latest. 'You can use any word you want, I'm not going to argue with it,' sighed Eddie Howe at his press conference on Sunday. ' The fact that Howe's team didn't simply fail against FC Barcelona in the Champions League quarter-finals, but were thrashed 2-7 at Camp Nou, is causing alarm, as are the two derby defeats against promoted Sunderland this season and the league table after 31 matchdays: 12th place, behind the Black Cats, already a good way away from the European Cup places. Howe's project has stalled – two lineups speak volumes. In four and a half years, Howe, backed by new millions from Saudi Arabia, transformed a Premier League 19th-placed team into a two-time Champions League participant and brought the storied club its first title in 70 years with the 2025 League Cup triumph. The Englishman, who has been considered a potential national team coach for years, is the most successful manager in the club's recent history – but the entire project has stalled. Last summer, Newcastle painfully learned in the transfer market that they still don't belong among England's top clubs; the Premier League's financial regulations further restrict their seemingly endless financial resources. And this year, unlike in previous years, Howe hasn't managed to make the most of what he has. This is most evident when comparing the starting lineups in the first and latest, so far, only competitive matches of the season: Anthony Gordon started as a center forward in both, even though he isn't actually a striker. The only difference is that Newcastle hadn't yet spent around €135 million on two new attackers in their 0-0 draw against Aston Villa in the opening match. But against Sunderland, Nick Woltemade once again started in a more defensive role, and Yoane Wissa didn't start at all. Even after seven months, Howe is still searching for the ideal position for Woltemade within his system. The former Stuttgart player, who last scored in the Premier League in December and didn't play a single minute against Barcelona, is a face of the team's decline in recent months. "He often played very deep, and when he then defends as a holding midfielder, he has a long way to go to get to goal," national team coach Julian Nagelsmann said last week, followed by a sentence that could be interpreted as a subtle dig at Howe's experiments: "I can promise that he won't be 80 meters away from goal for us." At least Woltemade is playing fairly regularly again. Wissa, who scored 19 goals for Brentford last season, has been a €58 million flop so far, even though he seemed a better fit for Howe's high-pressing style of football. He's the real disappointment, not Woltemade, but both are relevant to the interim assessment: Newcastle have failed to compensate for Alexander Isak's departure due to strike. The Magpies need a late surge to salvage their season with European qualification, but that's precisely not their strength: they've already squandered 22 points after taking the lead, which doesn't exactly reflect well on Howe's work. Why does his team keep running out of steam? "We lost control after halftime," he had to admit again against Sunderland. A coaching change this season is out of the question; the sporting management is said to remain fully behind Howe. However, he still needs to make a case for his continued employment before the Saudi owners take the next steps in the summer. It's already clear that things are likely to get turbulent again even without Howe's dismissal. Key players like Sandro Tonali, Bruno Guimaraes, Valentino Livramento, and Gordon might want to leave due to a lack of opportunities, or perhaps even be forced to due to financial constraints. The three-week break offers a good opportunity to fine-tune both on and off the pitch. However, things aren't running smoothly even when the ball isn't rolling: Newcastle had to cancel their planned training camp in Dubai due to the Middle East war. Edited March 25 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I really wanted to know what Naglesmann thought about Howe's job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Where's the bit where he's wondering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I really wanted to know what Naglesmann thought about Howe's job That's just the starting point of the article. I'm not interested in what Nagelsmann has to say about Toon. What he thinks about Big Nick is interesting, though, since he's the national coach. I hope you've read the other 95% of the article, because there's a lot of truth in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, loki679 said: We've been saying something like that all season but it doesn't matter if you're 1 point or a million points off if you're not capable of making them up. We've shown absolutely nothing this season to suggest we'll bring in points at a higher rate than the clubs above us. Possibly not, but I fancy us to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kilcline said: Where's the bit where he's wondering? That's exactly right. I should probably delete this title again so that people can focus on the main content... Edited March 25 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 40 minutes ago, Kilcline said: Where's the bit where he's wondering? He's not, that's just a mischievous headline. He does say that he wouldn't have Woltemade playing 80m from goal though, and that's a fair point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 209 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 55 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: "This is most evident when comparing the starting lineups in the first and, so far, only competitive matches of the season." what does this mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag3.14 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: I know where you’re coming from - just to add, I’d like to be for it for these reasons: - we’ve got a chance of winning it - we’d likely get to play some clubs we haven’t played before (I really did find our CL campaign this season a total bore fest - in part because we’d played almost all the clubs before in my lifetime) - it gives us the chance to build our coefficient - we might even bag another trophy This - Until UEFA bin the ridiculous prize money based on club coefficients (which they never will because of the threat of the "superleague") being in any european competition is far better than missing out - need to build ours up significantly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMSIllustrious Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 30 minutes ago, Harry 209 said: what does this mean? Mistake in translation, original says first and latest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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