Fak Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Think Wolt will go on to have a canny career and show that he is indeed a very tidy footballer. I just don't think itll be at Newcastle United. (Or for any Eddie Howe team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 4 hours ago, Dr. TC said: There's a lot of revisionism on here. We could never have kept Isak We failed to get anyone else before Nick Most of us on here were absolutely delighted when he signed, salivating over YouTube clips, calling sour grapes on Bayern for saying we overpaid, and gloating at Man U and Arsenal when he started better than Sesko and Gyokeres. Second half of the season it has gone wrong somehow, but I still think Eddie will find a way for it to work. And if not, I think he will find success elsewhere. And if not, it at least wasn't obvious to everyone he would fail before he arrived. He was initially doing well, maybe dropping him for Wissa when he came back from injury knocked his confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Not watched an awful lot of him so happy to be corrected but isn't Strand Larsen, who we spent weeks chasing with ridiculously inflated bids, a similar profile to Woltemade? Kind of dispels the idea that we had no idea how we expected to use Woltemade and that he was a complete panic buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Larsen is far more mobile and still pretty shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Larsen is far more mobile and still pretty shit. I'm sure he is more mobile, but doesn't seem to be the type of striker to be on the last defender ready to run in behind. Larsen and Woltemade (however good either is) are far more similar in profile to each other than they are to Isak or Ekitike. It would indicate there was a plan, however it has played out. Edited May 16 by Eveready Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Eveready said: Not watched an awful lot of him so happy to be corrected but isn't Strand Larsen, who we spent weeks chasing with ridiculously inflated bids, a similar profile to Woltemade? Kind of dispels the idea that we had no idea how we expected to use Woltemade and that he was a complete panic buy. I think we were just desperately bidding on anyone who had scored goals last season, tbh. Not convinced their profile was given too much thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 9 hours ago, duo said: Keeping Isak was one of them. Ridiculous spending £70 mil on a player if you've no idea as to how to fit them into your team. Keeping Isak wasn’t an option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 4 hours ago, Eveready said: Not watched an awful lot of him so happy to be corrected but isn't Strand Larsen, who we spent weeks chasing with ridiculously inflated bids, a similar profile to Woltemade? Kind of dispels the idea that we had no idea how we expected to use Woltemade and that he was a complete panic buy. Larsson is more like a traditional target man isn’t he? Similar in physical attributes I guess, but very different in style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 52 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Keeping Isak wasn’t an option You say that but he was under contract - it's not like we have been any better off with the replacements Eddie bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Larsson is more like a traditional target man isn’t he? Similar in physical attributes I guess, but very different in style of play. He’s not Swedish mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 52 minutes ago, duo said: You say that but he was under contract - it's not like we have been any better off with the replacements Eddie bought. Isak either wouldn’t have played or would’ve half-arsed his way through any game he did play. The man didn’t want to play for the club anymore and stated it in the frankest terms possible. The mistake was in not getting shot of him quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 11 hours ago, Thumbheed said: He was forced to sign him because 4-5 of his preferred options signed elsewhere. I don't know another scenario where you'd hold anyone else to full account when they only had the 6th best option at their disposal. I think the question is who was in charge of the process and who thought it was a good idea to try to go all-in, toe-to-toe with the elite clubs for the top 5 on his/their list without a Plan B? All of them signed with Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool (some as backups). Instead of bringing a younger, less expensive player to bring along and take the pressure off, he/they went out and spent the same money they offered Ekitike on someone who was apparently his/their sixth choice. Whoever was in charge can't make the excuse you're offering. He/they did the same with Wissa and Elanga. By the way, here's how our rumored top five choices (and the cunt) have shook out so far: Joao Pedro = 15 EPL goals (60M fee) - 27% of Chelsea's league goals Ekitike = 11 EPL goals (69M) - 17% of Liverpool's league goals Sesko = 11 EPL goals (67M) - 17% of ManU's league goals Mbueno = 9 EPL goals (65M)- 14% of ManU's league goals Woltemade = 7 EPL goals (65M) - 14% of NUFC's league goals Isak = 3 EPL goals (125M) - 4% of Liverpool's league goals Delap = 1 EPL goal (30M) - less than 2% of Chelsea's league goals So despite him missing training, coming in cold, getting Wissa'd, and playing the last half of the season out of position (if at all), he's really not that far out from all the others - who I would argue are all playing in much more striker-friendly systems. I hope Nick hits the weight room this summer and comes back with his arse on fire to prove the doubters wrong (including Eddie). I also hope he starts eating raw steak and eggs every day, and not that froufrou tartare crap either. There's not enough tofu in the world for him to build the muscle he needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 I don't think Woltemade needs to hit the weight room literally, he just needs to play with more aggression and figure out how to take advantage of his large frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 58 minutes ago, Conjo said: I don't think Woltemade needs to hit the weight room literally, he just needs to play with more aggression and figure out how to take advantage of his large frame. Gaining muscle is much easier than gaining aggression at 24 imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Just now, The College Dropout said: Gaining muscle is much easier than gaining aggression at 24 imo No point with more muscles if he don't know how to use them. Can also have a negative effect on his pace and agility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Just now, Conjo said: No point with more muscles if he don't know how to use them. Can also have a negative effect on his pace and agility. Sure. But I don’t see him developing more aggression. It’s a major character flaw for a striker. I don’t see how he leads the line for any top club regularly unless something pretty fundamental changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Isn't it quite evident he's never going to be a lead your line 9? He's a 10 or a second striker... Basically, his height should be disregarded for the most part as he will never be able to utilise it in the way some envisage he should be able to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 He’s a young player we spent 65 million on. Given various spending rules, we won’t have the luxury of selling him at a massive loss and moving on to someone else. As long as there’s even a chance of him becoming quality, we have to keep trying. We don’t have a choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 hours ago, r0cafella said: Isn't it quite evident he's never going to be a lead your line 9? He's a 10 or a second striker... Basically, his height should be disregarded for the most part as he will never be able to utilise it in the way some envisage he should be able to Without his height he’s nowhere near MGW/Maddison good as a 10/SS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wong989 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Why haven’t we tried moulding him into a Harry Kane type. Kane has very little pace but presses, drops deep but still has striker instincts and runs behind. Should be spending all our time focusing him on that, and teaching him the joy of clattering defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Because we would have to sell all our players and get new ones in to accommodate him, apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 17 minutes ago, wong989 said: Why haven’t we tried moulding him into a Harry Kane type. Kane has very little pace but presses, drops deep but still has striker instincts and runs behind. Should be spending all our time focusing him on that, and teaching him the joy of clattering defenders. Because he hasn't got it in him. Please never mention Woltemade in the same breath as Harry Kane again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtua Stiva Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 “Hi, Nick. Have you tried being exactly like the greatest striker of his generation? Just be more of a one-off complete player, please. Cheers” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, wong989 said: Why haven’t we tried moulding him into a Harry Kane type. Kane has very little pace but presses, drops deep but still has striker instincts and runs behind. Should be spending all our time focusing him on that, and teaching him the joy of clattering defenders. We probably are, but it'll require patience and time on the training ground for it to come to fruition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Baller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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