Víctor Muñoz: Signs For Liverpool

[Kid Icarus]

Luke Edwards putting out a headline about something else that's a laughing stock is the height of projection like. 

[thomas]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

 

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On RedCafe.net, user "20le'sNordicNutsack" writes : "haha, stupid deluded geordies", providing further evidence Eddie Howe has ushered in a new century of humiliation for the toon. 

 

[Nucasol]

9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

Fair.

 

It has been another bruising affair for everyone concerned. The only way to apply a soothing balm is to make sure they actually sign their next target, rather than just spend weeks talking about doing so.

Newcastle cannot keep their targets secret, they cannot operate in the shadows, as much as they would like to. Everything will be played out in public at some point. They have just suffered a big defeat. They need a win.

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

he's not wrong.  This summer is 1/3.  Brighton beat us.  Now Liverpool.  The 1 we got is a not set to be first choice for the team.  After last year it sucks.  It seems simply have reached our ceiling and can't compete further.  

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Clearly two camps here:

• Newcastle messed up
• Liverpool were always going to take him

We are never going to agree 

I think both can be true.

 

Of course he is going to pick Liverpool over us, higher profile club, likely better wages.

The thing is though we shouldn’t have giving Liverpool a sniff. This deal should have been done 2-3 weeks ago back when Liverpool were thinking about what to do with Slott, and when Gordon was secretly taking Spanish lessons and Liverpool thought they were going to get him. It would also have been before he fucked off over to the USA with Spain.

The club should have done the deal back then, and no more than £5m would have moved the deal on faster. If Liverpool were sniffing back then, we should have put a time limit on him singing for us.

We also shouldn’t have briefed our local journo’s, yes the pasta toucher and Ornstein would have been paid to release info, but if our local journo’s were told to deny it until the deal was complete, we could have taken a few steps towards discrediting them.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Stifler

[Sidg]

Edwards repeats the Downie line in his article: "Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks."

 

Getting pissed off all over again. Fuck you mean, "why"? He chose a bigger club that we knew were interested. Why are we baffled? 

[duo]

1 minute ago, Stifler said:

I think both can be true.

 

Of course he is going to pick Liverpool over us, higher profile club, likely better wages.

The thing is though we shouldn’t have given Liverpool a sniff. This deal should have been done 2-3 weeks ago back when Liverpool were thinking about what to do with Slott, and when Gordon was secretly taking Spanish lessons and Liverpool thought they were going to get him. It would also have been before he fucked off over to the USA with Spain.

The club should have done the deal back then, and no more than £5m would have moved the deal on faster. If Liverpool were sniffing back then, we should have put a time limit on him singing for us.

We also shouldn’t have briefed our local journo’s, yes the pasta toucher and Ornstein would have been paid to release info, but if our local journo’s were told to deny it until the deal was complete, we could have taken a few steps towards discrediting them.

Is that not in the 'Newcastle messed up' camp? It reads like it  

 

totally agree

[r0cafella]

10 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

the manner in which we lost Isak proves the opposite surely. 
 

It wasn’t just an amicable bid, accepted, friendly hand shakes all round like a Kerkez etc. They systematically ground us down and demoralised us as a collective in the process, they knew exactly what they were doing. You don’t go that far if you’re not arsed. 

Not for me, it was a humiliation ritual. In order to threaten them which basically translate to taking or threatening to take the position from them we'd have to be equal footing. 

 

They wouldn't be able to absolutely ruin us with minimal effort. 

 

Maybe I should have added existential threat instead 

[Stifler]

1 minute ago, Sidg said:

Edwards repeats the Downie line in his article: "Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks."

 

Getting pissed off all over again. Fuck you mean, "why"? He chose a bigger club that we knew were interested. Why are we baffled? 

It’s obvious. If we moved forward faster and if we paid his release fee we could have got the deal done, especially when Liverpool thought that we would be selling them Gordon.

As it is Liverpool showed their interest and the agent used us to lure them out.

As soon as Spaghetti dick, and BeIN Jacobs, and Ornstein started saying things, alarm bells should have been ringing.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

5th June is when the Munoz thread started with locals saying multiple clubs interested but Newcastle in talks. 
6th June SSN say talks between Iraola and Liverpool due to start and that he is clear frontrunner. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Shays Given Tim Flowers

[Andy]

Nobody knows what has happened with this transfer, how close we actually were, what was agreed, what wasn't agreed, whether it could or should've been done earlier, etc., anything reported in the press will have spin one way or another. 

 

I don't think it's exactly outrageous behaviour for fans to pick apart a transfer strategy that doesn't seem to be working though given that our business has been pretty poor since Ashworth left. Everyone knows PSR or whatever it's called now is an issue, but every club in the league is fighting against PSR aside from the select few who we constantly seem to be battling with. 

 

The likes of Villa and Brighton don't seem to get gazumped in the same way we constantly do, so why? Is it just that they don't tell their local rags every single transfer link and alert the rest of the world? Are they actually having the same issues behind the scenes but it's not being reported? Is it that they are deliberately avoiding dining at the same table as the big boys? Are they just more efficient at bringing in players when they need to?

 

Fans are obviously going to get frustrated when the same thing happens time and time again and when there is a huge amount of work to be done. The club can't just shrug their shoulders and say "PSR init ", we need to find a way to be more effective under the constraints that we already know fine well that we're working under. 

[The Prophet]

6 minutes ago, Sidg said:

Edwards repeats the Downie line in his article: "Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks."

 

Getting pissed off all over again. Fuck you mean, "why"? He chose a bigger club that we knew were interested. Why are we baffled? 

 

According to Downie, Liverpool have been speaking to him and his agent for a while, seems we were played by an agent yet again.

[Ben]

It all just seems very nieve, can't imagine Amanda been played like this 

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, duo said:

Is that not in the 'Newcastle messed up' camp? It reads like it  

 

totally agree

No because ultimately we cannot control what Liverpool do and they can always gazump us. That part is out of our control.

 

But there are things we can do to limit that possibility of that happening and we didn't do all of it. The things we can control, in this instance I don't think we did everything.

[Menace]

 

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

According to Downie, Liverpool have been speaking to him and his agent for a while, seems we were played by an agent yet again.

 

Yet the apparent Liverpool interest only became a thing last night 

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

According to Downie, Liverpool have been speaking to him and his agent for a while, seems we were played by an agent yet again.

did we think he wasn't talking to other parties?

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

It all just seems very nieve, can't imagine Amanda been played like this 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56208668

[The Prophet]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

did we think he wasn't talking to other parties?

 

We do come across as very naive.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Andy said:

Nobody knows what has happened with this transfer, how close we actually were, what was agreed, what wasn't agreed, whether it could or should've been done earlier, etc., anything reported in the press will have spin one way or another. 

 

I don't think it's exactly outrageous behaviour for fans to pick apart a transfer strategy that doesn't seem to be working though given that our business has been pretty poor since Ashworth left. Everyone knows PSR or whatever it's called now is an issue, but every club in the league is fighting against PSR aside from the select few who we constantly seem to be battling with. 

 

The likes of Villa and Brighton don't seem to get gazumped in the same way we constantly do, so why? Is it just that they don't tell their local rags every single transfer link and alert the rest of the world? Are they actually are having the same issues behind the scenes but it's not being reported? Is it that they are deliberately avoiding dining at the same table as the big boys? Are they just more efficient at bringing in players when they need to?

 

Fans are obviously going to get frustrated when the same thing happens time and time again and when there is a huge amount of work to be done. The club can't just shrug their shoulders and say "PSR init ", we need to find a way to be more effective under the constraints that we already know fine well that we're working under. 

With regards to Brighton and Villa they have different strategies to each other so it's difficult to compare. 

 

Re Villa if it was for PIF (amusingly) the project is basically where we are but worst bailing them out of Duran and the french kid who's name escape me basically saved them nobody in Europe pays those fees. 

 

Brighton are different, they are just way more savvy then we are unfortunately. They have a proper multi club set up so they can direct and nurture talent much more efficiently than us, on top of that they basically have zero expectations so if players go there and flop it doesn't really matter ripping off Chelsea will more than cover it. 

 

We obviously have our own strategy which he's flipped recently to this Brighton esque model but without the nouce, or the talent funnel and it's harder for us take risks as we actually have expectations. 

[Mills and Boon]

24 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Nobody else in the league remotely gives a fuck about who we lose out to, apart from maybe Sunderland.

 

We should worry less about being a laughing stock to other fans and more about whether our own fans start losing their shit.

 

 

Some of our fans are permanently in a state of losing their shit, over real issues or imagined ones

[STM]

3 minutes ago, Andy said:

Nobody knows what has happened with this transfer, how close we actually were, what was agreed, what wasn't agreed, whether it could or should've been done earlier, etc., anything reported in the press will have spin one way or another. 

 

I don't think it's exactly outrageous behaviour for fans to pick apart a transfer strategy that doesn't seem to be working though given that our business has been pretty poor since Ashworth left. Everyone knows PSR or whatever it's called now is an issue, but every club in the league is fighting against PSR aside from the select few who we constantly seem to be battling with. 

 

The likes of Villa and Brighton don't seem to get gazumped in the same way we constantly do, so why? Is it just that they don't tell their local rags every single transfer link and alert the rest of the world? Are they actually having the same issues behind the scenes but it's not being reported? Is it that they are deliberately avoiding dining at the same table as the big boys? Are they just more efficient at bringing in players when they need to?

 

Fans are obviously going to get frustrated when the same thing happens time and time again and when there is a huge amount of work to be done. The club can't just shrug their shoulders and say "PSR init ", we need to find a way to be more effective under the constraints that we already know fine well that we're working under. 

 

Yeah that's fair.

 

Villa and Brighton are two separate things.

 

Brighton have no ambition and sell themselves as a stepping stone, whilst also happily selling players to the big 6. They also dont really compete for the same players as us or at a level of Sesko, Ekitike etc.

 

Villa do have ambition, do have similar issues to us and their fans are equally frustrated by PSR. They dont seem to publicly lose out on players but they seem to go for older players who aren't sought after by the big 6. 

 

FWIW, id more than happily go for a Villa strategy. They made some smart moves, like Rashord on loan, Barkley on a free. Our fans, certainly on here, aren't accepting to that and think we need to go for Brightons targets.

[Mills and Boon]

5 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

 

Yet the apparent Liverpool interest only became a thing last night 

 

24hr negotiation I heard.

 

Absolute testicles 

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Ben said:

It all just seems very nieve, can't imagine Amanda been played like this 

 

We missed out on numerous targets during her time, to be fair. The PSR mess also unfolded on her watch. 

 

Don't get me wrong, she was a human face that was seemingly able to keep PIF engaged, but things weren't completely rosey while she was here.

[The College Dropout]

"Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks. They knew there was competition for him and that Liverpool were one of the clubs interested, but they had been told he wanted Newcastle. They were lied to. It is difficult to escape the view that they have, once again, been used to get a player a move elsewhere."

If this is true we need to be more aggresive and ruthless. It would explain why we thought we had time to negotiate hard with Osasuna and Real. 

 

5 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

 

Yet the apparent Liverpool interest only became a thing last night 

Nobody is claiming that. The claims are Liverpool moved decisively late in the game. All of our major succesful signings had interest from others.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Maybe one day.