Irish Magpie Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I've never known that to be an American convention like. Newcastle United is a singular proper noun. I am not a language expert by any means but surely the word 'United' implies a collective? Newcastle Utd are sounds more correct to my ear than Newcastle Utd is. At the bottom of every news article page on the official website it has the slogan "We Are United" for instance. (Of course the word WE preceded Are, so not the best example. ) Not even mentioning American conventions as I wouldn't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Irish Magpie said: I am not a language expert by any means but surely the word 'United' implies a collective? Newcastle Utd are sounds more correct to my ear than Newcastle Utd is. At the bottom of every news article page on the official website it has the slogan "We Are United" for instance. (Of course the word WE preceded Are, so not the best example. ) Not even mentioning American conventions as I wouldn't know. These things always end up going the way of popular usage (band names for example sound wrong used as singular nouns) so it wouldn't surprise me for things like football teams to end up as 'are' rather than 'is', but 'is' is definitely the correct usage. If you said 'the players of Newcastle United' or 'the fans...' then are would be right, but Newcastle United on its own is technically a singular proper noun. Edited July 15, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: These things always end up going the way of popular usage (band names for example sound wrong used as singular nouns) so it wouldn't surprise me for things like football teams to end up as 'are' rather than 'is', but 'is' is definitely the correct usage. If you said 'the players of Newcastle United' or 'the fans...' then are would be right, but Newcastle United on its own is technically a singular proper noun. Technically yes, but I’m pretty sure that the convention historically and colloquially is for the English to say “are” and Americans to say “is”. As to whether “is” is becoming more prevalent in British media? No idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: These things always end up going the way of popular usage (band names for example sound wrong used as singular nouns) so it wouldn't surprise me for things like football teams to end up as 'are' rather than 'is', but 'is' is definitely the correct usage. If you said 'the players of Newcastle United' or 'the fans...' then are would be right, but Newcastle United on its own is technically a singular proper noun. I believe both are correct because we can treat it as a plural noun, like people, ‘group’ or bands. It’s definitely a Brit - American thing. It’s not normal for a Brit to say ‘Newcastle is’. Similarly Americans do treat bands as singular - an American would typically say ‘Oasis is…’. Edited July 15, 2023 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) “Amortisation” the word, not the concept. Edited July 19, 2023 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Deuce said: “Amortisation” the word, not the concept. Feeling like you need basic accountancy skills to get on understanding football is 100% a negative development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Disco said: Feeling like you need basic accountancy skills to get on understanding football is 100% a negative development. The information asymmetry between what the club knows and what we know re: finances is as wide as the Grand Canyon and there’s nothing we can do about it anyway. Lads on here in tears trying to number crunch our transfer dealings. Edited July 19, 2023 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Deuce said: The information asymmetry between what the club knows and what we know re: finances is as wide as the Grand Canyon and there’s nothing we can do about it anyway. Lads on here in tears trying to number crunch our transfer dealings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 On 15/07/2023 at 10:51, Irish Magpie said: I am not a language expert by any means but surely the word 'United' implies a collective? Newcastle Utd are sounds more correct to my ear than Newcastle Utd is. At the bottom of every news article page on the official website it has the slogan "We Are United" for instance. (Of course the word WE preceded Are, so not the best example. ) Not even mentioning American conventions as I wouldn't know. The singular is common in America. New York Mets is a terrible baseball team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The singular is common in America. New York Mets is a terrible baseball team. Feel like the opposite is true. “The Mets are white hot dogshit” this season. But “the team/club is” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The singular is common in America. New York Mets is a terrible baseball team. That can’t be true. When you call a hotline, they don’t say “we is experiencing performance outage in your area” they’d say “we are experiencing performance outage in your area”. Or “The New York Mets are exploring coaching options at this current moment”. I’ve never seen this “is” you speak of. Edited July 19, 2023 by Astroblack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 All this "baller" shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 'jigan' and 'Toon88' Dolly Parton/Witney Houston here, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 On 19/07/2023 at 17:46, GEFAFWISP said: All this "baller" shite. Aye, what the fuck is that exactly? You add FOOT and they become 'footballer', which applies to most players bar Ali dia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 19/07/2023 at 17:46, GEFAFWISP said: All this "baller" shite. The streets will never forget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 On 19/07/2023 at 17:46, GEFAFWISP said: All this "baller" shite. Maybe those using it are fans of Skee Low? I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller I wish I had a girl who looked good, I would call her I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat And a six-four Impala Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Seeing Sergio Ramos being talked about as one of the best defenders of all time. Good defender obviously but shouldn’t be mentioned as an all time goat. Same with Puyol too, imo. Brilliant defender but not a goat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: Seeing Sergio Ramos being talked about as one of the best defenders of all time. Good defender obviously but shouldn’t be mentioned as an all time goat. Same with Puyol too, imo. Brilliant defender but not a goat. Oof - that’s a big call I think they’re up there tbh. Certainly in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) They're absolutely greats imo. Probably not in the best XI in my lifetime but only because the bar is incredibly high. Definitely wouldn't complain if others had them in theirs like, they were class. Edited July 30, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) See i would put the like a of Maldini, Nesta, Stam, Ferdinand, Terry, Cannavaro, Vidic and maybe a few others relatively far ahead of them. It annoys me because I think people are putting Ramos in their team because of the trophies he has won, rather than his actual ability. Edited July 30, 2023 by Rafalove Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Rafalove said: See i would put the like a of Maldini, Nesta, Stam, Ferdinand, Terry, Cannavaro, Vidic and maybe a few others relatively far ahead of them. It annoys me because I think people are putting Ramos in their team because of the trophies he has won, rather than his actual ability. Ramos also had that unquantifiable leadership by example ability. Outstanding player - not that im suggesting he should be up there with the greats though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 Young players who make their debuts and are already plastered in tatts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 People who wank on about woodgate when he admitted he never want to come and slagged the club off. 37 games and people hail him as the best thing since sliced bread despite making Michael Owen look punctual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Pancrate1892 said: People who wank on about woodgate when he admitted he never want to come and slagged the club off. 37 games and people hail him as the best thing since sliced bread despite making Michael Owen look punctual where’s this from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 He said that he didn't want to leave Leeds but that was mainly due to him coming through their ranks and loving his team mates there. He's also since said that leaving Newcastle was a tough choice and that Real Madrid were the only club he'd have left for. Both views completely fair in my eyes and still the best defender I've seen play for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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