St James' Park

[midds]

Just now, Kanji said:

 

It seems like the perfect venue for the club or corporate clients to entertain, and decent enough seats to get a feel of the place but otherwise I think it's hella expensive for 1 bloody match. 

Of course, yeah

 

And if it brings in lots of revenue and people are happy to pay it then it's all good, hope they enjoy every minute. Just not my bag

[TRon]

The whole point of being at the match is to be part of the atmosphere. I'm sure there'll be people who appreciate the comfort and the nice menus in the private boxes, but for most people just having a seat in an area of the ground which makes some noise is enough.

[Kanji]

3 minutes ago, midds said:

Of course, yeah

 

And if it brings in lots of revenue and people are happy to pay it then it's all good, hope they enjoy every minute. Just not my bag

 

Whether the diehards will like it or not, this type of offering sort of has to be in the stadium in the new world we live in with the amount of money in football. It's also the kind of stuff our owners and our executives like and get involved with. Purely from my corporate job perspective, it's a no brainer to do this. If I was entertaining clients who just liked football but wanted to do some heavy drinking but had no stake in the match, I'd hoy them up there if thats what needed to be done for the biz. 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Kanji

[midds]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

 

Whether the diehards will like it or not, this type of offering sort of has to be in the stadium in the new world we live in with the amount of money in football. It's also the kind of stuff our owners and our executives like and get involved with. Purely from my corporate job perspective, it's a no brainer to do this. If I was entertaining clients who just liked football but wanted to do some heavy drinking but had no stake in the match, I'd hoy them up there if thats what needed to be done for the biz. 

 

 

 

Again, absolutely spot on. No issue with it being there it's just not for me personally. I'd also like to think it gets used as a space for conferences and conventions all year round and through the week too. The more cash coming into the till the better from a FFP point of view

[Kanji]

13 minutes ago, midds said:

Again, absolutely spot on. No issue with it being there it's just not for me personally. I'd also like to think it gets used as a space for conferences and conventions all year round and through the week too. The more cash coming into the till the better from a FFP point of view

 

 

100%! 

[Kanji]

14 minutes ago, midds said:

Again, absolutely spot on. No issue with it being there it's just not for me personally. I'd also like to think it gets used as a space for conferences and conventions all year round and through the week too. The more cash coming into the till the better from a FFP point of view

 

Probably a good spot for concerts too, and all that. 

[Wolfcastle]

On 13/08/2023 at 11:41, Groundhog63 said:

Found it ?

 

 

Gives old school missed the kick-off vibes

[TheGuv]

£7.5K now seems a like a good deal when it’s £650 + VAT a match 

 

I’d rather sit in that section of the ground than in the Milburn corporate areas. You’re right in amongst the noise of the Gallowgate there. 

Still a fuck ton of money

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by TheGuv

[wyn davies]

36 minutes ago, Kanji said:

 

Whether the diehards will like it or not, this type of offering sort of has to be in the stadium in the new world we live in with the amount of money in football. It's also the kind of stuff our owners and our executives like and get involved with. Purely from my corporate job perspective, it's a no brainer to do this. If I was entertaining clients who just liked football but wanted to do some heavy drinking but had no stake in the match, I'd hoy them up there if thats what needed to be done for the biz. 

 

 

 

Tax incentive for entertaining clients, so can obviously claim it back.

[madras]

1 minute ago, wyn davies said:

Tax incentive for entertaining clients, so can obviously claim it back.

Never understood why that tax break is a thing. Why do clients need "entertaining" ? Surely it's corruption. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Guess the theory is it's part of marketing. Schmooze people and they'll likely choose you over a competitor. 

[wyn davies]

Just now, madras said:

Never understood why that tax break is a thing. Why do clients need "entertaining" ? Surely it's corruption. 

No different at work, where us at the bottom get a few cans for crimbo, the bornleader makes sure he gets his receipt to claim out of the business account to reduce their tax on the profit/ loss account , as you say clearly a fiddle but open to everyone who fills in their self assement tax bill and totally legal.

[madras]

17 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

No different at work, where us at the bottom get a few cans for crimbo, the bornleader makes sure he gets his receipt to claim out of the business account to reduce their tax on the profit/ loss account , as you say clearly a fiddle but open to everyone who fills in their self assement tax bill and totally legal.

I know it's legal, just don't know why. And paying staff is totally different to bribing clients.

[patrone]

3 hours ago, TheGuv said:

£7.5K now seems a like a good deal when it’s £650 + VAT a match 

 

I’d rather sit in that section of the ground than in the Milburn corporate areas. You’re right in amongst the noise of the Gallowgate there. 

Still a fuck ton of money

 

 

 

 

Aye, but it's £7k plus Vat and you can only buy in pairs ??

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by patrone

[BottledDog]

6 hours ago, BonesJones said:

 

 

The days of pissing down the back of people's legs and being accepting of it because of the rush you get from being part of the crush is long gone, and that feels like a shame.

 

Sad times.

[cubaricho]

On 12/08/2023 at 07:39, LFEE said:

It be good if they could lower the roof on the new stadium so if it was lower attended game  it would still keep the atmosphere decent. So in effect changing the capacity to suite.

You’d imagine the new stadium will have every available bell and whistle. 

[NE27]

6 hours ago, SteV said:

So it’s 800 for a single game but ‘only’ 7.5k for a ST?

 

This is from the email...

 

 

So a bit more than 7 then, plus the fact the requirement is for two tickets to be purchased 

 

In fact, I pretty much looked like buzzcocks amongst people up there anyways

[El Prontonise]

2 hours ago, madras said:

I know it's legal, just don't know why. And paying staff is totally different to bribing clients.

 

All client entertainment is not tax deductible.  What happens though it's paid through the business instead of it coming after income tax etc from someone's personal account.

 

Every employee gets £150 for entertainment which can be claimed back, what usually happens is they'll lump some client spending onto that.  I've actually challenged a previous employer about why no entertainment was being given out to us across the year....

[madras]

40 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

All client entertainment is not tax deductible.  What happens though it's paid through the business instead of it coming after income tax etc from someone's personal account.

 

Every employee gets £150 for entertainment which can be claimed back, what usually happens is they'll lump some client spending onto that.  I've actually challenged a previous employer about why no entertainment was being given out to us across the year....

Why would an employee get an entertainment allowance ? 

 

Some client entertainment must be tax deductible as nearly all the self employed people I've known ask for the receipts when out for meals etc "the bigger the group the better". 

[El Prontonise]

5 minutes ago, madras said:

Why would an employee get an entertainment allowance ? 

 

Some client entertainment must be tax deductible as nearly all the self employed people I've known ask for the receipts when out for meals etc "the bigger the group the better". 

 

Because they do, that's what pays for most xmas parties etc.   It's been like that for a very long time, every employee gets that.

 

Rules are different for self employed people, they are probably putting them against subsistence when they shouldn't be.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by El Prontonise

[Toon1892]

4 hours ago, wyn davies said:

Tax incentive for entertaining clients, so can obviously claim it back.

Just an fyi. Client entertainment isn’t an allowable deduction for corporation tax. So there’s no tax incentive here.

 

If the company is claiming the cost on their tax return that is tax evasion.

[TBG]

1 hour ago, BottledDog said:

 

The days of pissing down the back of people's legs and being accepting of it because of the rush you get from being part of the crush is long gone, and that feels like a shame.

 

Sad times.

 

People pay good money to be pissed on these day, so I'm told.

[madras]

35 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Because they do, that's what pays for most xmas parties etc.   It's been like that for a very long time, every employee gets that.

 

Rules are different for self employed people, they are probably putting them against subsistence when they shouldn't be.

 

 

 

I doubt they'd be able to claim for 22 people at the Simla on subsistence 

 

For everyone gets that. I might have to ask my employer cos we get fuck all.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by madras

[El Prontonise]

10 minutes ago, madras said:

I doubt they'd be able to claim for 22 people at the Simla on subsistence 

 

For everyone gets that. I might have to ask my employer cos we get fuck all.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I'm very wary of employers who don't do it, I reckon they are claiming on behalf of employees though for their "own" functions for upper management as HMRC don't check.

FYI: https://www.gov.uk/expenses-benefits-social-functions-parties/whats-exempt

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by El Prontonise

[Pancrate1892]

On 12/08/2023 at 12:58, mattypnufc said:

If it’s any help, that entire area is already planned and ready for redevelopment. I should know as it’s my organisation who’ve helped get developers onboard for the land. 

Yes, there seems to be a problem with people accepting that rather important fact.