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  On 13/08/2024 at 12:42, WilliamPS said:

My own guess is staying, but with an extra tier on the gallowgate and two rows of boxes added to the east stand. As boxes can be built up instead of back that might be possible without impacting the street behind.

 

Capacity up to 60,000 but corporate revenue through the roof

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Why would you increase the ground by only 7K when we currently have minimum 20K locked out whilst we finished 7th and haven’t made any stellar signings?

 

Even more amazing when our players are apparently no good and EH has apparently took us as far he can…

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:05, LFEE said:

Why would you increase the ground by only 7K when we currently have minimum 20K locked out whilst we finished 7th and haven’t made any stellar signings?

 

Even more amazing when our players are apparently no good and EH has apparently took us as far he can…

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No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree.

 

On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go.

 

Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football.

 

IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. 

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:18, WilliamPS said:

No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree.

 

On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go.

 

Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football.

 

IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. 

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A 70k+ stadium is filled comfortably by a successful NUFC

 

If we match the capacity of the likes of Spurs or Arsenal then we’d be cementing just how far we are behind - we will never be able to charge what is charged at those grounds.  Capacity isn’t the issue - income is.  Spurs and Arsenal take £100m+ on match day revenues.  We currently take about £35m.

 

To truly catch up, we’d need significant expansion - ie 20k more than the present + shitloads of corporate

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:18, WilliamPS said:

No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree.

 

On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go.

 

Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football.

 

IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. 

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Absolutely agree, I would look at between 64-68k at a maximum 

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It's definitely getting to the stage now where I would be pretty disappointed if the news was (pretty minimal) expansion. The once in a generation thing does make it sound like a new stadium will be the direction they go, and it is a real chance to have one of the best stadiums in the world. Everyone raves about Spurs' stadium and it being the best in the country, well, with the wealth and infrastructure pedigree in place, here's a chance to build one bigger and better, perhaps with a full roof, like those in the States, and become the only significant stadium in England to have one. Imagine some of the world wide events that could become a possibility.

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:18, WilliamPS said:

No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree.

 

On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go.

 

Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football.

 

IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. 

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Certainly not what I think but what many on here say. I’ll put it the way i think. We’ve just started the rebuild journey of the club and without any real success we are massively over subscribed.

 

If Arsenal and Liverpool could expand further they would. Spurs also might regret the size they went for.

 

The bigger our stadium the lower the cost can be to the fan going.

 

Like they say this is a one time cheque. I’d rather have a few games with some empty seats on the the top rows and then the majority of the games sold out with less fans locked out for a lifetime. This isn’t a stadium for where football, sport and music is in 2024. It’s for the next 50+ years. Get your head round it.

 

 

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:18, WilliamPS said:

No idea what that last sentence is about, if that’s what you think fine but I don’t agree.

 

On the stadium size, Spurs only built 60,000, Arsenal the same, Liverpool now have 62,000, Man City have 54,000 and attendance issues. Once you have European football regularly and good cup campaigns regularly the opportunities to go get much wider and ultimately the cost caps how often people can afford to go.

 

Only Man Utd are substantially larger than 60,000 and they have the biggest fan base in world football.

 

IMO a 70,000+ would end up with empty seats. It’s why nobody else has gone to that size. 

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Spurs and Arsenal were still limited by site size. In Arsenals case they built their stadium 20 years ago, if they were to do it today they would go bigger. Man City are in the process of expanding. Liverpools plans is to have a 70k-80k seater that they are doing in stages.

Man Utd are wanting to get as close to 100k as they can.

Aston Villa want a 50k-60k stadium and have even put that on hold to determine if their upturn in form and demand holds.

West Han have a 60k+ stadium, Everton will have a 52k stadium next year, and they are on the doorstep to Liverpool.

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B-more Mag

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Living in a place where teams move relatively frequently (both in terms of same-city location and between cities), the history of the club playing in the same location for 130+ years is awesome, and it would suck to see that end. But at the same time, I can see why it would need to be done, given the existing site circumstances. Hopefully if it's a new stadium it'll have appropriate call-backs to SJP and there will be some sort of memorial where it was. 

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:49, B-more Mag said:

Living in a place where teams move relatively frequently (both in terms of same-city location and between cities), the history of the club playing in the same location for 130+ years is awesome, and it would suck to see that end. But at the same time, I can see why it would need to be done, given the existing site circumstances. Hopefully if it's a new stadium it'll have appropriate call-backs to SJP and there will be some sort of memorial where it was. 

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I’ve been going since the early 80’s and nothing about the ground apart from the East Stand upper tier is the same. Got some great memories of the place but I’ve got some awful ones also :lol:

 

Let’s make some new ones elsewhere from 2028/29.

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  On 13/08/2024 at 13:49, B-more Mag said:

Living in a place where teams move relatively frequently (both in terms of same-city location and between cities), the history of the club playing in the same location for 130+ years is awesome, and it would suck to see that end. But at the same time, I can see why it would need to be done, given the existing site circumstances. Hopefully if it's a new stadium it'll have appropriate call-backs to SJP and there will be some sort of memorial where it was. 

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Take your point, but the move in to Leazes is very, very close, it's barely even a move.

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Wonder if a new stadium could be used for some PSR shenanigans.

 

IE - PIF build the stadium then sell it to A N Other (A Saudi company) for 1BN. Or maybe build it and outsource the clubs hospitality facilities for 50m per year to same...

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  On 13/08/2024 at 14:18, Lazarus said:

Wonder if a new stadium could be used for some PSR shenanigans.

 

IE - PIF build the stadium then sell it to A N Other (A Saudi company) for 1BN. Or maybe build it and outsource the clubs hospitality facilities for 50m per year to same...

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Eh?

Building it wouldn’t impact our PSR. Might as well just build it and rake in the money from matches and other events.

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