St James' Park

[Heron]

As always it's all about how it is done and where, when, etc.

[Fezzle]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Don't think season ticket holders would miss out tbf. They would be relocated into the general sale seats.

So why would people buy a membership? You are losing 12000 seats for a season by rebuilding the Gallowgate and the corners, look at the ballot success rates on here now and ask why you would waste your time fighting over considerably less seats.

[Tross]

8 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

So why would people buy a membership? You are losing 12000 seats for a season by rebuilding the Gallowgate and the corners, look at the ballot success rates on here now and ask why you would waste your time fighting over considerably less seats.

 

I assume they would suspend memberships until they could offer seats again. 

[Sibierski]

34 minutes ago, Heron said:

However, what about other factors?

 

What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out.

 

What about if they do not consider standing or singing sections to ensure there is a good atmosphere?

 

I don't want my ticket price going up and the atmosphere being lost and ultimately part of the soul that is Newcastle United so that potentially an extra 10/20k fans can have a day out.

 

We can (most likely) increase the capacity at SJP (for those who'd like to regularly attend) without the need for a relocation of the stadium, and avoid much of the above. Of course - in my opinion.

 

Linking to some of this, the atmosphere is often quite shit though, because that's how the lopsided stadium lends towards and would only get worse with an expansion.

 

For the ticket prices, no need for them to go up any more than current rate of inflation. Whether we're at SJP or not, if club is in Europe consistently, the ticket prices will rocket up to levels we've never seen before which will get people moaning.

 

If the avenues are restricted for new/young fans to get a ticket, then the atmosphere petters out eventually as we all become miserable old guys who still rock up to have a moan and sit largely in silence unless there's some action.

[et tu brute]

5 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

So why would people buy a membership? You are losing 12000 seats for a season by rebuilding the Gallowgate and the corners, look at the ballot success rates on here now and ask why you would waste your time fighting over considerably less seats.

On top of that revenue loss (every penny is important for PSR), you will have a massive cost for a limited number of additional seats, which is just not financially feasible imo. Doesn't matter anyway, it seems pretty obvious that a decision has been made and that it is now being drip fed to the support

 

[NSG]

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

[et tu brute]

7 minutes ago, NSG said:

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

It will be what the owners want, the fan involvement is just a tick mark exercise. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 15:39 by et tu brute

[Nepharite]

Minimum 80K with vastly improved Corporate and Concourse facilities please. 

[NE27]

But surely the price of your ticket is already under threat of increasing due to limited availablity.

 

We can't generate any more from ST sales other than raising the existing prices, like I've seen 2 seasons on the trott.

 

The hope with a new stadium is that a large swathe of the allocation can be for corporate without eating into the everyday fans seats, which they're having to do now and increasing the cost.

 

I don't know what I want personally, but I think we are seriously bottle necked at st James currently.

 

Flashy bars and restaurants within the ground do absolutely nothing for me, but I understand the shouts to make St James more than just a football venue if you're going down the route of a new stadium

 

[Wallsendmag]

Seen this argument a lot about ticket prices increasing if we move to a new stadium but is there any evidence to back this up?

 

We have the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough moved to new grounds and pretty sure they didn't hike up prices, same with the likes of West Ham and Man City. Don't think there's any plans from Everton to raise theirs more than they would have had they stayed at Goodison.

 

Arsenal and certainly Spurs did but that's London and they don't have the same sort of working class fanbase as we do. We could never generate the same sort of corporate interest as either of them do for example.

 

As it happens a lot of current ST holders are going to see huge price rises this summer when their 10 year deals expire.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, NE27 said:

Flashy bars and restaurants within the ground do absolutely nothing for me, but I understand the shouts to make St James more than just a football venue if you're going down the route of a new stadium

There’s a lot of grey area between flashy and what we have now

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, NSG said:

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

 

65k isn't big enough. Imagine we do start regularly qualifying the CL, we'd be able to shift 80k tickets.

 

One thing that does worry me is an extra 20 or 30 thousand people in the city centre. The public transport infrastructure is nowhere near robust enough.

[Mag3.14]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out.

 

 

 

It's more certain this will happen with the current or slightly expanded SJP in order to generate revenue, certainly will be a bigger rise than it would with a newer stadium with more corporate facilities available 

 

 

[Kanji]

they should just build new stands on top of the roofs of the existing stands. Dub Decker SJP

[Mag3.14]

edit: duplicate post

 

 

Edited Thursday at 17:05 by Mag3.14

[ponsaelius]

An extra 20k people in the city centre is far, far easier in respect to transport infrastructure than trying to put 70k somewhere on the outskirts.

[Kanji]

I am going to keep up my 1-2x a season trip up to the Toon to enjoy SJP while I can. It's days seem numbered. 

[Kanji]

I think the club and club ownership are far smarter than to ever consider it in the outskirts, it would have some a negative impact on matchday/weekend revenues for the businesses in the area that it would really be a horrendous outcome for all. Nobody will win in that. 

[Joelinton7]

Needs to hold millions at the least. Trillions of millions even.

[NSG]

22 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

65k isn't big enough. Imagine we do start regularly qualifying the CL, we'd be able to shift 80k tickets.

 

One thing that does worry me is an extra 20 or 30 thousand people in the city centre. The public transport infrastructure is nowhere near robust enough.

Fair point.

 

70k SJP or 75k Leaze(r)s.

[ponsaelius]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

I think the club and club ownership are far smarter than to ever consider it in the outskirts, it would have some a negative impact on matchday/weekend revenues for the businesses in the area that it would really be a horrendous outcome for all. Nobody will win in that. 

 

I don't think there is even a viable location anywhere on the periphery of the city due to the transport infrastructure that would be needed to support it. You'd not get it past planning.

 

The city centre location is ideal for transport because all existing public transport infrastructure already goes to the centre anyway. And because it's in the centre, with various other uses, people filter in/out naturally throughout the day anyway. SJP is remarkably easy to get out of at full time.

 

Anybody who has tried to get to and from Brighton's Amex on a matchday knows the level of bottleneck that an out of town stadium creates. And that's half the size with regular trains.

 

The only options if they're looking at a brand new stadium I can see are Castle Leazes and the Arena, because they require no additional infrastructure. 

[bobbydazzla]

I’m in favour of anything stadium related that means the “pint at 35 mins, leave the ground at 80 mins” posse can be identified and persecuted

 

Get DJ One-Dek to shout their names out over the tannoy during the game and the rest of us can all boo and point fingers at them

 

At the very least it'll give Sean Longstaff some respite

[ramirez]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

Seen this argument a lot about ticket prices increasing if we move to a new stadium but is there any evidence to back this up?

 

We have the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough moved to new grounds and pretty sure they didn't hike up prices, same with the likes of West Ham and Man City. Don't think there's any plans from Everton to raise theirs more than they would have had they stayed at Goodison.

 

Arsenal and certainly Spurs did but that's London and they don't have the same sort of working class fanbase as we do. We could never generate the same sort of corporate interest as either of them do for example.

 

As it happens a lot of current ST holders are going to see huge price rises this summer when their 10 year deals expire.

I think that’s partly to do with demand for the first two and obviously not a great look to have a new, half full ground. The Sunderland ground in particular was huge for a team of their size at the time, especially when freshly relegated. 

[Stifler]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

I’m in favour of anything stadium related that means the “pint at 35 mins, leave the ground at 80 mins” posse can be identified and persecuted

 

Get DJ One-Dek to shout their names out over the tannoy during the game and the rest of us can all boo and point fingers at them

 

At the very least it'll give Sean Longstaff some respite

What we should do is free those people up as corner flags, then tell Matt Ritchie that he’s scored a goal.

[Whitley mag]