St James' Park

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

 

I reckon they would still make a profit if they sold after a couple of years so it's the ultimate investment 

 

No chance they'd make a profit.  People are seriously over estimating the potential revenue we could make because of spurs, they are in London it's literally another planet economically there to the North East.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

 

No chance they'd make a profit.  People are seriously over estimating the potential revenue we could make because of spurs, they are in London it's literally another planet economically there to the North East.

How much do you think we are worth now ?

[JT24]

Just now, Ben said:

How much do you think we are worth now ?

About £700m.

[Stifler]

Just now, JT24 said:

My feeling is PIF will balk at the cost and timescale of a new stadium and opt for the expansion. 

I doubt they will. They will be planning on owning us for at least 15-20 years.

Spurs right now are apparently not entertaining offers below £4bn for the club.

We also have to remember that we’ll also likely get a closed Premier League and ESL. At the very least we will be getting direct to consumer Premier League subscriptions which should easily gain every Premier League £500m per season.

 

On top of this, Newcastle and the North East is their soft power project. They want a seat at the world leaders table for when oil runs out. They have their fingers in the boxing and WWE pies, and will want to offer both of them a European location.

 

They have spent far bigger of far less tangible projects, such as golf, and even the other day buying a 10% stake in DAZN for £1bn.

[Ben]

Just now, JT24 said:

About £700m.

 

Not a chance 

[JT24]

Just now, Ben said:

 

Not a chance 

Forbes had us listed at £636m in May 2024. Since then we’ve grown revenue to about £300m supposedly. 
 

https://www.forbes.com/teams/newcastle-united/

[Danh1]

21 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

https://archive.ph/yPG9o

 

Lazy.

You’re not wrong.  

 

Thanks for posting it. 

[El Prontonise]

I'd say around £900m mark.

[Danh1]

21 minutes ago, JT24 said:

My feeling is PIF will balk at the cost and timescale of a new stadium and opt for the expansion. 

Surely they’d have been well aware of the costs involved before appointing the likes of Miller and that gadgie linked to the Reuben’s

 

As much as I want to stay at SJP and see it expanded, it feels that we’ll be moving. Purely because whilst adding 8-10k more seats is achievable, it means we’re unable to expand in 20 years or whatever.

[Wandy]

I'd love someone to explain how it would take 7 years to build a new stadium. This is all becoming incredibly tedious. 

[JT24]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

I'd love someone to explain how it would take 7 years to build a new stadium. This is all becoming incredibly tedious. 

I imagine actually building it will only take 2-3 years but design, planning, any legal issues etc. could take a few years. 

[Turnbull2000]

12 minutes ago, Wandy said:

I'd love someone to explain how it would take 7 years to build a new stadium. This is all becoming incredibly tedious. 

 

This is the UK, where getting pretty much anything built that's in the local or national interest is obstructed at pretty much every turn. The nimbies will be all over this should a relocation be proposed. There's a risk legal challenges could drag on for a couple of years. Design will take 2 years. Planning probably 1 year. Building first phase 2.5 years, second phase 1 year. Probably 5 at best if no nimby or planning obstacles, 7-8 if they drag it out.

[Jackie Broon]

11 hours ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

This is the UK, where getting pretty much anything built that's in the local or national interest is obstructed at pretty much every turn. The nimbies will be all over this should a relocation be proposed. There's a risk legal challenges could drag on for a couple of years. Design will take 2 years. Planning probably 1 year. Building first phase 2.5 years, second phase 1 year. Probably 5 at best if no nimby or planning obstacles, 7-8 if they drag it out.

 

Assuming it is supported by the planners there are three main things that could potentially significantly slow down the planning process:

 

1: It isn't supported by councilors. This seems unlikely, even if there were another similar Friends of Leazes Park campaign against an application, councilors are still likely to support it, as they reportedly did in 97.

 

2: It gets called-in by the Secretary of State. Possible, because it was in 97, but seems less likely given this government's pro-development stance.

 

3: It gets approved but that is legally challenged.  This seems fairly unlikely. Firstly, to bring a legal challenge there need to be grounds, a challenge can only be brought on a point of law, not just because someone disagrees with a decision. Secondly, it is very expensive to legally challenge a planning permission, tens of thousands of pounds, the Friends of Leazes Park probably don't have that kind of money.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:25 by Jackie Broon

[Wandy]

50 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

This is the UK, where getting pretty much anything built that's in the local or national interest is obstructed at pretty much every turn. The nimbies will be all over this should a relocation be proposed. There's a risk legal challenges could drag on for a couple of years. Design will take 2 years. Planning probably 1 year. Building first phase 2.5 years, second phase 1 year. Probably 5 at best if no nimby or planning obstacles, 7-8 if they drag it out.

If all these things happen then my prediction is there won’t be any new stadium. 

[Sima]

We’ll still be playing at SJP in the 2035/36 season.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:18 by Sima

[Whitley mag]

Think they’ll go for new stadium with any development of St James compromised, Sir John cited legal challenges for abandoning the plan last time, but think in the Hardy article he gives the game away and it was cost that put them off.

 

It was far easier to saddle the club with debt of an expansion, wor betide the Halls/Shepherds would have had to put any of their own money towards it robbing cunts.

 

Real test of PIF’s commitment coming up and expect them to show everyone they mean business and give us the best stadium in this country bar none.

 

Hopefully relaxation in planning through this government will minimise any disruption to timescales.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 08:26 by Whitley mag

[Nucasol]

9 hours ago, Danh1 said:

Surely they’d have been well aware of the costs involved before appointing the likes of Miller and that gadgie linked to the Reuben’s

 

As much as I want to stay at SJP and see it expanded, it feels that we’ll be moving. Purely because whilst adding 8-10k more seats is achievable, it means we’re unable to expand in 20 years or whatever.

Brad Miller - “we only want to write one cheque” - I dread to see the state of SJP in another 10-15 years. The East Stand is already a carbuncle.

[JT24]

7 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Brad Miller - “we only want to write one cheque” - I dread to see the state of SJP in another 10-15 years. The East Stand is already a carbuncle.

Aye but have you considered the East Stand has vegan food options now? Could be a game changer. 

[loki679]

On 22/02/2025 at 06:11, JT24 said:

My feeling is PIF will balk at the cost and timescale of a new stadium and opt for the expansion. 

 

Cost won't be an issue. A few billion is pocket change to our owners. 

[TheBrownBottle]

On 22/02/2025 at 09:35, Wandy said:

I'd love someone to explain how it would take 7 years to build a new stadium. This is all becoming incredibly tedious. 

Assuming a lack of planning issues, then a world class 65-70k stadium can be taken from concept design to completion in just over three years, if you have the right team onboard, and the site is relatively free of issues.

[TheBrownBottle]

In thinking about the prospect of building on Barrack Road, the site should be more or less ideal.  The site is greenbelt, so the ground investigations are unlikely to find serious soil contamination.  SJP is next to it, so it is likely that the geotech will find that foundation / structural issues won’t need too much technically difficult consideration.  Transport links are decent, site access should be straightforward, and the site should offer plenty of space for works to be undertaken with a ‘crashed’ construction programme - ie the works can be undertaken contiguously rather than sequentially, which would push back the completion date.

 

In terms of planning, I’ve been out of the UK for nearly a decade, so the planning regs may have changed, but they used to be a potential pain in the arse.  But I would say that you’d hope that the current SJP would be converted to parkland to offset the new stadium (which would actually improve the situation of Leazes Terrace), and the Victorian bandstand could easily be relocated (or moved brick by brick to Beamish, etc etc).  Given that the club bought back the land where the Stack is atm, perhaps that could be given over to greenery too.  So hopefully something along those lines would help push any new stadium through planning quicker than if the club was simply gobbling up a greenfield site without any offsets. 

[Stifler]

32 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

In thinking about the prospect of building on Barrack Road, the site should be more or less ideal.  The site is greenbelt, so the ground investigations are unlikely to find serious soil contamination.  SJP is next to it, so it is likely that the geotech will find that foundation / structural issues won’t need too much technically difficult consideration.  Transport links are decent, site access should be straightforward, and the site should offer plenty of space for works to be undertaken with a ‘crashed’ construction programme - ie the works can be undertaken contiguously rather than sequentially, which would push back the completion date.

 

In terms of planning, I’ve been out of the UK for nearly a decade, so the planning regs may have changed, but they used to be a potential pain in the arse.  But I would say that you’d hope that the current SJP would be converted to parkland to offset the new stadium (which would actually improve the situation of Leazes Terrace), and the Victorian bandstand could easily be relocated (or moved brick by brick to Beamish, etc etc).  Given that the club bought back the land where the Stack is atm, perhaps that could be given over to greenery too.  So hopefully something along those lines would help push any new stadium through planning quicker than if the club was simply gobbling up a greenfield site without any offsets. 

I’d imagine the club will be keeping a hold of that so they can build a permanent fanzone, with maybe a couple of hotels.

 

In reality the club could easily fit on a fanzone, a couple of hotels, and either some apartments, or offices.

You also have to factor in the Metro station there as well.

[Fenham Mag]

A private jet is landing in Newcastle soon from Nuremberg. The relevance of that is that it’s where Adidas’ headquarters are.

 

Perhaps, if there is going to be a big discussion about the stadium this evening, Adidas could be there to discuss naming rights.

[Hudson]

11 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said:

A private jet is landing in Newcastle soon from Nuremberg. The relevance of that is that it’s where Adidas’ headquarters are.

 

Perhaps, if there is going to be a big discussion about the stadium this evening, Adidas could be there to discuss naming rights.

 

[JT24]

9 minutes ago, Hudson said:

 

A flight that originated in Miami is landing soon, so I'm assuming that is the PIF lot. (They were at some event there this past week).