St James' Park

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

 

Hope's updated fuck you message to the bald cunt

[Ben]

Could do with a 75000 one like, obviously the plans and money are in place for this 65000 stadium so it must be a dozzy 

[Decky]

I've been to the Allegiant Stadium and thought it was fucking class tbh. Thought the black everywhere would be unreal for us too.

[Danh1]

2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Nobody has even thought this never mind posted it. 

It was more based on Twitter tbf. I know that it’s full of morons, mind. 

[Ketsbaia]

I'm starting to calm down about the 65k thing, as long as a fairly smooth expansion is possible. And it'd be inevitable.

 

Just please make it look unique, with a bit of character.

[r0cafella]

Yet more stadium exclusives without any official news. Fair play to the journos stadium leaks and rumours are the new transfer rumours where we are concerned. 

 

Gotta get those clicks. 

[toontownman]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/2027019/newcastle-s-new-stadium-unlike-anything-premier-league-unique-feature

 

Express have a different idea on what it's modeled on. Maybe some Chinese whispers with Allegiant Stadium and Allianz lol. Or more likely guess work. The bubble wrap stadium at Bayern is absolutely more in keeping and consistent with what we heard previously from reports.

 

"The futuristic arena is set to feature a bubble-wrap-like facade reminiscent of Bayern Munich's iconic Allianz Arena and will boast a parkland entrance akin to the famous Wembley Way."

 

 

Edited March 14 by toontownman

[TheBrownBottle]

We’ll know where the new stadium is, what it looks like and what its capacity is soon enough.  Most construction documentation is commercial-in-confidence, and I seriously doubt the local football hacks have the contacts in the civils & construction industry at consultancies involved (given that this is high-level optioneering, it won’t have seen too many eyes), nor high enough up at the club (ie at PIF) to know what is coming.  It’s all just paper talk for now - ie complete bollocks, and the ITKs talk even more bollocks. 

 

 

Edited March 14 by TheBrownBottle

[Geordie Ahmed]

My initial reaction was that 65k is too little and I think we should be aiming for 75k

 

But no doubt the club have looked at the data before arriving at that number, they aren't daft enough to leave a lot of revenue out there

 

Having a quick look at others and the Bernabeu is 78k, Allianz is 75k, expecting us to be in the ball park of clubs that absolutely dwarf us is probably a bit naive 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Geordie Ahmed

[bobbydazzla]

The Express and The Mail

Two despicable rags that are so full of lies, hate and bile that I wouldn’t even wipe my claggy arse with them if there was no bog roll left the house 

 

I’ll believe the new stadium plans when we see some form of official communication, not when some habitual liars masquerading as journalists write a fictional article to hit their monthly KPI’s 

 

 

Edited March 14 by bobbydazzla

[Sibierski]

11 hours ago, Novocastrian said:

Looks like a robot vacuum cleaner.

I’m in the minority, but I like those stadiums if you put your own spin on it. The outside facade being black and white, the end with glass pointing towards the city so the opposite stand still overlooks the city. 

 

Most crucial thing for me for new builds, is the surrounding infrastructure. If in leazes park it helps not being too far from existing infrastructure, but still needs some places around the stadium. And preferably not corporate food places, needs some good drinking spots.

[Gaztoon]

8 hours ago, Decky said:

I've been to the Allegiant Stadium and thought it was fucking class tbh. Thought the black everywhere would be unreal for us too.

 

Few of my mates went vegas watching the rugby two week back.. said its unbelievable.

[TheBrownBottle]

Dolly’s Friends of Leazes Park looks like they’ll get their signatures from their previous sources:

 

[Wallsendmag]

2 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

My initial reaction was that 65k is too lose and I think we should be aiming for 75k

 

But no doubt the club have looked at the data before arriving at that number, they aren't daft enough to leave a lot of revenue out there

 

Having a quick look at others and the Bernabeu is 78k, Allianz is 75k, expecting us to be in the ball park of clubs that absolutely dwarf us is probably a bit naive 

 

Tbf the Allianz has been sold out and massively oversubscribed for every single Bayern match since it was built so the argument there would be that it's too small for Bayern.

 

Spanish football is a bit different. Barca can't fill the 55,000 Olympic stadium they're currently playing in and Real hardly ever fill the Bernabeu. Obviously their worldwide fanbase absolutely dwarfs ours but gloryhunters in far flung corners of Asia don't fill seats at a football stadium.

 

A lot of comments I've seen on twitter rightly say that we could have taken SJP up to 60,800 so is it really worth losing all that history for 4k seats, the majority of which will be probably be swallowed up by corporate anyway?

 

I do think 70k would have appeased more of those fans who don't want to leave SJP more than just going for slightly more than we could have got in a renovated and extended SJP.

 

Anyway it's still only newspaper rumours at the minute so I'm hopeful that when the plans are released officially they've shown a little bit more ambition than building stadium we'd already be filling every week right now.

[Danh1]

20 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Tbf the Allianz has been sold out and massively oversubscribed for every single Bayern match since it was built so the argument there would be that it's too small for Bayern.

 

Spanish football is a bit different. Barca can't fill the 55,000 Olympic stadium they're currently playing in and Real hardly ever fill the Bernabeu. Obviously their worldwide fanbase absolutely dwarfs ours but gloryhunters in far flung corners of Asia don't fill seats at a football stadium.

 

A lot of comments I've seen on twitter rightly say that we could have taken SJP up to 60,800 so is it really worth losing all that history for 4k seats, the majority of which will be probably be swallowed up by corporate anyway?

 

I do think 70k would have appeased more of those fans who don't want to leave SJP more than just going for slightly more than we could have got in a renovated and extended SJP.

 

Anyway it's still only newspaper rumours at the minute so I'm hopeful that when the plans are released officially they've shown a little bit more ambition than building stadium we'd already be filling every week right now.

I think the counter arguement to that - why move when we could have stayed at SJP and extended to 60k, is that once you do that you’re then stuck at that capacity and a huge investment will be required in 15 years or so if that becomes too small.

 

I say that as someone who would love us to stay at SJP. Sadly, the lack of being able to extend again is what stops it being an option.

 

I also would rather we move to a stadium with an increase but not one where we could see ourselves with vast amount of empty seats when we have a dip or the novelty wears off. If it is 65k, I’m sure that the option to extend it will be there, so it makes sense to take it gradually imo. 

[Ikon]

Regarding the Allegiant Stadium for example, I reckon that the feel of a similar one in real life would be more appreciated than it’s when looking at photos and videos. Real life feel is totally different more often than not. Small changes to the facade and the surrounding areas could also make a big difference to the overall feel of it. Having said that, there will never be a new stadium where even half think it’s near perfect. Whatever we get (to some degree) we should be really grateful for it instead of whining too much about it. 
 

We obviously don’t know how/who or how much will be paid by x/y but it’s safe to say that building our new stadium isn’t going to affect us negatively in the same way as it would for other clubs. My gut feeling is that we’ll reap the most benefits from it without too much of the overall costs that also affects a club financially in a worse way. I’m excited either way. 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Ikon

[Wallsendmag]

33 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

I think the counter arguement to that - why move when we could have stayed at SJP and extended to 60k, is that once you do that you’re then stuck at that capacity and a huge investment will be required in 15 years or so if that becomes too small.

 

I say that as someone who would love us to stay at SJP. Sadly, the lack of being able to extend again is what stops it being an option.

 

I also would rather we move to a stadium with an increase but not one where we could see ourselves with vast amount of empty seats when we have a dip or the novelty wears off. If it is 65k, I’m sure that the option to extend it will be there, so it makes sense to take it gradually imo. 

 

Football is getting ever more popular. Attendances now are crazy compared to what they once were. I think other than Southampton and Leicester every other PL has been sold out for every single game. It's pretty much unprecedented.

 

Take it to 70k. Personally I think we'd fill it without any issues. Even if there was a couple of thousand empty seats on the rare occasion what difference does it make? Or put it onto public sale like we used to, to shift the last few seats.

 

65k, taking into account the extra corporate capacity, is still leaving a lot of disappointed members imo taking into account the current 25% or so chance they currently have of getting tickets.

 

As I say, let's see what their final plans are though.

[Kimbo]

Please don’t build a bubble stadium. I’d like something industrial and functional looking, like a stadium version of the Lloyd’s building. I think the Saudi’s have their style preferences though.

[Joelinton7]

Nah actually think the trident is growing on me now

[wyn davies]

Can't see the point in moving and building a stadium with only an increase in capacity of say 13000, when as mentioned previously by other posters, get rid of seats and have a standing , before changing the stadium previously we used to get 60000 standing at certain games, unless the idea is to continually create a demand which is probably the club's intention by only increasing slightly.

[Keegans Export]

1 minute ago, wyn davies said:

Can't see the point in moving and building a stadium with only an increase in capacity of say 13000, when as mentioned previously by other posters, get rid of seats and have a standing , before changing the stadium previously we used to get 60000 standing at certain games, unless the idea is to continually create a demand which is probably the club's intention by only increasing slightly.

I'm not 100% sure but there's a restriction on standing/seating ratio.

 

So we couldn't take out 5k seated and replace with 7k standing. I'm not sure of the exact rule.

[NUFC91]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Tbf the Allianz has been sold out and massively oversubscribed for every single Bayern match since it was built so the argument there would be that it's too small for Bayern.

 

Spanish football is a bit different. Barca can't fill the 55,000 Olympic stadium they're currently playing in and Real hardly ever fill the Bernabeu. Obviously their worldwide fanbase absolutely dwarfs ours but gloryhunters in far flung corners of Asia don't fill seats at a football stadium.

 

A lot of comments I've seen on twitter rightly say that we could have taken SJP up to 60,800 so is it really worth losing all that history for 4k seats, the majority of which will be probably be swallowed up by corporate anyway?

 

I do think 70k would have appeased more of those fans who don't want to leave SJP more than just going for slightly more than we could have got in a renovated and extended SJP.

 

Anyway it's still only newspaper rumours at the minute so I'm hopeful that when the plans are released officially they've shown a little bit more ambition than building stadium we'd already be filling every week right now.

 

Obviously all paper talk but in terms of the grounds you have visited in Europe do you think any we should particularly model on, I'm hoping whatever the decision as close to pitch as possible and steep one tier stands.

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

Obviously all paper talk but in terms of the grounds you have visited in Europe do you think any we should particularly model on, I'm hoping whatever the decision as close to pitch as possible and steep one tier stands.

 

I'm more the traditional 4 separate stands type rather than the wraparound bowls that are more commonplace. I just think they hold the atmosphere in better.

 

A bigger version of PSV would be quality. Ridiculously steep stands (theirs is 2 tiers) plus being close to the pitch so it seems like the crowd are on top of the players. 

 

A huge 1 tiered home end with safe standing which can fit in 20k would be tremendous. It would piss all over SJP for noise levels from that stand alone.

 

One of the best stadiums I've been to was actually the Millenium stadium for the Semi final. Huge 75k capacity but still close to the pitch and the steep stands still gave it that intimate feel. No coincidence that our atmosphere was off the scale that day. It's a far better stadium than Wembley in my opinion.

[Jonas]

Its an interesting point about Bayern at the Allianz. They rarely filled the Olympic Stadium so probably thought 75k was about all they'd need.

Presuming its nearer the city centre.  Definitely need to avoid that problem as it doesn't look like they can expand.

 

The 'news' has at least allowed us to know how we'd feel about a Leazes Park stadium and moving. 1st option was always to stay at SJP and somehow crack the accursed East Stand/Leazes Terrace problem and get another tier on the Gallowgate but I'd be fine with this as it turns out.

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, Jonas said:

Its an interesting point about Bayern at the Allianz. They rarely filled the Olympic Stadium so probably thought 75k was about all they'd need.

Presuming its nearer the city centre.  Definitely need to avoid that problem as it doesn't look like they can expand.

 

The 'news' has at least allowed us to know how we'd feel about a Leazes Park stadium and moving. 1st option was always to stay at SJP and somehow crack the accursed East Stand/Leazes Terrace problem and get another tier on the Gallowgate but I'd be fine with this as it turns out.

The only reason for building 'expandable' is if you think you can't meet the goals. 65-70k could be done tomorrow on existing demand.  Should really be looking at 85-90