St James' Park

[NSG]

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

[et tu brute]

7 minutes ago, NSG said:

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

It will be what the owners want, the fan involvement is just a tick mark exercise. 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2024 by et tu brute

[Nepharite]

Minimum 80K with vastly improved Corporate and Concourse facilities please. 

[NE27]

But surely the price of your ticket is already under threat of increasing due to limited availablity.

 

We can't generate any more from ST sales other than raising the existing prices, like I've seen 2 seasons on the trott.

 

The hope with a new stadium is that a large swathe of the allocation can be for corporate without eating into the everyday fans seats, which they're having to do now and increasing the cost.

 

I don't know what I want personally, but I think we are seriously bottle necked at st James currently.

 

Flashy bars and restaurants within the ground do absolutely nothing for me, but I understand the shouts to make St James more than just a football venue if you're going down the route of a new stadium

 

[Wallsendmag]

Seen this argument a lot about ticket prices increasing if we move to a new stadium but is there any evidence to back this up?

 

We have the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough moved to new grounds and pretty sure they didn't hike up prices, same with the likes of West Ham and Man City. Don't think there's any plans from Everton to raise theirs more than they would have had they stayed at Goodison.

 

Arsenal and certainly Spurs did but that's London and they don't have the same sort of working class fanbase as we do. We could never generate the same sort of corporate interest as either of them do for example.

 

As it happens a lot of current ST holders are going to see huge price rises this summer when their 10 year deals expire.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, NE27 said:

Flashy bars and restaurants within the ground do absolutely nothing for me, but I understand the shouts to make St James more than just a football venue if you're going down the route of a new stadium

There’s a lot of grey area between flashy and what we have now

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, NSG said:

Gimme 65k at SJP or an all singing all dancing 70k on Leazes park.

 

Nothing else is acceptable really.

 

65k isn't big enough. Imagine we do start regularly qualifying the CL, we'd be able to shift 80k tickets.

 

One thing that does worry me is an extra 20 or 30 thousand people in the city centre. The public transport infrastructure is nowhere near robust enough.

[Mag3.14]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out.

 

 

 

It's more certain this will happen with the current or slightly expanded SJP in order to generate revenue, certainly will be a bigger rise than it would with a newer stadium with more corporate facilities available 

 

 

[Kanj]

they should just build new stands on top of the roofs of the existing stands. Dub Decker SJP

[Mag3.14]

edit: duplicate post

 

 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Mag3.14

[ponsaelius]

An extra 20k people in the city centre is far, far easier in respect to transport infrastructure than trying to put 70k somewhere on the outskirts.

[Kanj]

I am going to keep up my 1-2x a season trip up to the Toon to enjoy SJP while I can. It's days seem numbered. 

[Kanj]

I think the club and club ownership are far smarter than to ever consider it in the outskirts, it would have some a negative impact on matchday/weekend revenues for the businesses in the area that it would really be a horrendous outcome for all. Nobody will win in that. 

[Joelinton7]

Needs to hold millions at the least. Trillions of millions even.

[NSG]

22 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

65k isn't big enough. Imagine we do start regularly qualifying the CL, we'd be able to shift 80k tickets.

 

One thing that does worry me is an extra 20 or 30 thousand people in the city centre. The public transport infrastructure is nowhere near robust enough.

Fair point.

 

70k SJP or 75k Leaze(r)s.

[ponsaelius]

2 minutes ago, Kanji said:

I think the club and club ownership are far smarter than to ever consider it in the outskirts, it would have some a negative impact on matchday/weekend revenues for the businesses in the area that it would really be a horrendous outcome for all. Nobody will win in that. 

 

I don't think there is even a viable location anywhere on the periphery of the city due to the transport infrastructure that would be needed to support it. You'd not get it past planning.

 

The city centre location is ideal for transport because all existing public transport infrastructure already goes to the centre anyway. And because it's in the centre, with various other uses, people filter in/out naturally throughout the day anyway. SJP is remarkably easy to get out of at full time.

 

Anybody who has tried to get to and from Brighton's Amex on a matchday knows the level of bottleneck that an out of town stadium creates. And that's half the size with regular trains.

 

The only options if they're looking at a brand new stadium I can see are Castle Leazes and the Arena, because they require no additional infrastructure. 

[bobbydazzla]

I’m in favour of anything stadium related that means the “pint at 35 mins, leave the ground at 80 mins” posse can be identified and persecuted

 

Get DJ One-Dek to shout their names out over the tannoy during the game and the rest of us can all boo and point fingers at them

 

At the very least it'll give Sean Longstaff some respite

[ramirez]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

Seen this argument a lot about ticket prices increasing if we move to a new stadium but is there any evidence to back this up?

 

We have the likes of Sunderland and Middlesbrough moved to new grounds and pretty sure they didn't hike up prices, same with the likes of West Ham and Man City. Don't think there's any plans from Everton to raise theirs more than they would have had they stayed at Goodison.

 

Arsenal and certainly Spurs did but that's London and they don't have the same sort of working class fanbase as we do. We could never generate the same sort of corporate interest as either of them do for example.

 

As it happens a lot of current ST holders are going to see huge price rises this summer when their 10 year deals expire.

I think that’s partly to do with demand for the first two and obviously not a great look to have a new, half full ground. The Sunderland ground in particular was huge for a team of their size at the time, especially when freshly relegated. 

[Stifler]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

I’m in favour of anything stadium related that means the “pint at 35 mins, leave the ground at 80 mins” posse can be identified and persecuted

 

Get DJ One-Dek to shout their names out over the tannoy during the game and the rest of us can all boo and point fingers at them

 

At the very least it'll give Sean Longstaff some respite

What we should do is free those people up as corner flags, then tell Matt Ritchie that he’s scored a goal.

[Whitley mag]

 

 

[Whitley mag]

Exciting times ahead.

 

i also understands that stadium specialists who were contacted by the club in the early part of the feasibility study were uniform in their opinion that “bolting on” additional seats or adding piecemeal to St James’ Park would be costly and far from ideal in terms of aesthetics. 

It’s understood that an interim solution of a small increase in capacity or patching up the stadium – one of the options looked at originally – have been ruled out in favour of much more ambitious options.

[Tiresias]

Moving it is absolutely inevitable the money will win out. I know I'm not popular on this but leaving that location is absolutely heartbreaking imo. 

[Stifler]

2 hours ago, Heron said:

I was too and 100% understand this.

 

However, that is the risk we took. I lost all my loyalty points (around 80) and cannot get to away games.

 

I feel for you (and others like you) but I don't think we need say 20/30k increased capacity to accommodate those folk.

I can understand your concerns about leaving SJP, legitimate concerns.

Losing that historic bond, having a period of time where the atmosphere in a new ground would need to be generated etc.

I can see all your reasons to be honest, and I’ll not argue against those. Even myself, there are lot of musts that we require before I’d be ok with a move.

 

However I fail to see arguments of saying we don’t need such an increase in capacity. We honestly do. We have 100k members, we have at least 40k people on top of season ticket holders trying to get into each match. Some fans have already been shoved out for corporate, and with a 100 company waiting list for boxes, only more people will be moved on. We also do have to acknowledge PSR.

Arsenal are on about increasing their capacity to 80k, with more corporate facilities. Birmingham City have just announced that they want to build a 62k capacity stadium. Liverpool have rebuilt 3 stands of their ground in recents years, and will no doubt do the final stand soon.

Aston Villa will finalise their plans for Villa Park improvements, Man Utd will end up with their 90k-100k capacity toilet bowl, Everton are about to move into their new stadium, and Man City are currently expanding theirs.

Football as a whole is becoming more popular, and more in demand, heck we have nothing clubs like Crystal Palace needing to expand to fit in supporters.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Stifler

[Nepharite]

If a move to Castle Leazes/Leazes Park is ultimately delivered it makes sense to me that the City Centre sprawl of Newcastle would organically grow around the new stadium. Shops, bars, hotels and the like would be built and connect to the existing center. 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Nepharite

[54]

If Leazes Park is such a big issue, I have a solution, underground stadium 50 metres deep. The Council gets there precious park, and we get a shiny new stadium.

 

As an aside, @TBG i'm disappointed you didn't make this post.