St James' Park

[Danh1]

3 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

Spurs was meant to be the new ground that bucked the trend in terms of atmosphere / not feeling a completely soulless environment. 

 

What are the examples of new grounds that don't feel completely naff compared to somewhere like SJP? As far as I can see there are none, certainly not in this country.

 

This is why I'm still firmly against moving. Moving from a proper football ground to a soulless structure and never being able to turn the clock back sounds a nightmare. 

 

I also don't want us to make a forever decision on the basis of FFP, a situation that is relatively new and may not be here for that long for all we know. 

Agree with this, and I know SJP’s atmosphere has been fucking shite this season, and last, but I feel that making changes to standing areas etc would go some way to solving that

 

[Stifler]

3 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

The Emptyhad was similar on MoTD. Plenty of Chinese tourists smattered amongst the empty blue seats.

In the Rafa years I had a season ticket in the Milburn stand.

Coming out against the Sky 6 you had Asian people standing outside the players entrance in the way of everyone waiting for autographs from the away team players. They clearly hadn’t been to the match, and were there to autograph hunt.

Eventually the club started putting barriers around them, but they were still in the way.

They were nowhere to be seen when we were in the Championship, or when we were playing the likes of Crystal Palace.

The club should have told them to move on and barred the away team from singing autographs.

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Aye, it was full of complete whoppers.

 

Another thing I found unbearable were all the LED advertisements. Tacky as fuck. I’m still yet to attend a stadium built in my life time (1990) that makes me think a move could work out. 

 

Tbh I don't think it's the stadiums, it's the people that frequent them these days that's the issue. The likes of Old Trafford, Anfield and Stamford Bridge all suffer from the same problems I've described.

 

Hate to give them any credit but I remember the noise at our first 2 or 3 derbies at the SoL which were absolutely deafening, far better than anything their so called Roker roar could offer, but then as the years went on that place got quieter and quieter as well. Same with Boro. First few times we played them at The Riverside it was very noisy but got quieter and less intimidating as time went on.

[Stifler]

6 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

Spurs was meant to be the new ground that bucked the trend in terms of atmosphere / not feeling a completely soulless environment. 

 

What are the examples of new grounds that don't feel completely naff compared to somewhere like SJP? As far as I can see there are none, certainly not in this country.

 

This is why I'm still firmly against moving. Moving from a proper football ground to a soulless structure and never being able to turn the clock back sounds a nightmare. 

 

I also don't want us to make a forever decision on the basis of FFP, a situation that is relatively new and may not be here for that long for all we know. 

Spurs ground is nerfed because of how many tourists they sell tickets too. Everywhere I go now online, there is a fucking advert for Spurs tickets from a football holiday package provider.

A lot of Spurs fans are also jacking it in because of prices, and because of protests against Levy/ENIC.

If we stay at SJP, even with a Gallowgate expansion, it would only increase our chances of it being filled by tourist due to how high ticket prices will become, and the fact that season tickets will never go on sale again.

[OverThere]

7 hours ago, Interpolic said:

Spurs was meant to be the new ground that bucked the trend in terms of atmosphere / not feeling a completely soulless environment. 

 

What are the examples of new grounds that don't feel completely naff compared to somewhere like SJP? As far as I can see there are none, certainly not in this country.

 

This is why I'm still firmly against moving. Moving from a proper football ground to a soulless structure and never being able to turn the clock back sounds a nightmare. 

 

I also don't want us to make a forever decision on the basis of FFP, a situation that is relatively new and may not be here for that long for all we know. 

I'm assuming you have a season ticket then? FFP isn't going to change any time soon and with more teams being American owned its more likely things will become trickier for us financially and not less.

 

However, I think the academy is higher priority in any event because that is where the most money can be moth made and saved.

[Interpolic]

1 hour ago, OverThere said:

I'm assuming you have a season ticket then? FFP isn't going to change any time soon and with more teams being American owned its more likely things will become trickier for us financially and not less.

 

However, I think the academy is higher priority in any event because that is where the most money can be moth made and saved.

 

No, I'm buying tickets match-to-match. I'm not convinced a new ground would lead to loads more affordable season tickets tbh.

[OverThere]

51 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

No, I'm buying tickets match-to-match. I'm not convinced a new ground would lead to loads more affordable season tickets tbh.

You are correct, just more match by match tickets...I assume of varying prices. Season tickets work out cheap so even 20 to 30 pounds more a ticket makes a huge difference in income. Put it this way, I'd be ok at 2-3 games a year at 50-60 quid.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 19:27 by OverThere

[r0cafella]

6 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

No, I'm buying tickets match-to-match. I'm not convinced a new ground would lead to loads more affordable season tickets tbh.

Affordable tickets aren't a thing anymore. Doesn't matter if it's SJP or a new ground ticket prices are only going up. 

[RobsonsWonderland]

15 hours ago, Stifler said:

Spurs ground is nerfed because of how many tourists they sell tickets too. Everywhere I go now online, there is a fucking advert for Spurs tickets from a football holiday package provider.

A lot of Spurs fans are also jacking it in because of prices, and because of protests against Levy/ENIC.

If we stay at SJP, even with a Gallowgate expansion, it would only increase our chances of it being filled by tourist due to how high ticket prices will become, and the fact that season tickets will never go on sale again.

The tourist percentage at spurs will always be higher due to it being one off the many things they could add to their trip whilst visiting London.

 

Ours would be for the sole purpose of the game so I can't imagine the numbers being that high week in,  week out.

 

It's more likely to be local people who can't commit to a season ticket.

 

 

[Disco]

The Asian lads and lasses at non London grounds are inevitably students btw, especially City. Fair play to them if they’re getting stuck into their new local team and getting involved. Manchester has one of the biggest international student markets in the UK and from personal experience I know loads of the international students studying up here like to get to a game if they can. 

[r0cafella]

Can see how Reform are making inroads with the way some people go on about overseas fans watching a game of football.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:34 by r0cafella

[Newintoon]

I know, I dread to think what was said about me when I dared to visit the nou camp for a game while in Barcelona but I’ll take a guess look at that English pig knocking back non alcoholic pints thinking he getting drunk. 

[Kid Icarus]

Doing the Premier League and each club's PR departments jobs with that absolute nonsense like.

 

Having a problem with our club and football as a whole becoming a tourist attraction is a perfectly valid position. 

[Nucasol]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Doing the Premier League and each club's PR departments jobs with that absolute nonsense like.

 

Having a problem with our club and football as a whole becoming a tourist attraction is a perfectly valid position. 

My issue is the clubs being focused on these “customers” more than the long term local lifeblood of these clubs. Seems to have been a huge skew in interest and bending over for megastore trolley dashers who’ll sit politely viewing the game through their phone rather than groups of likeminded “legacy fans” who’ll actually get behind the team.

[madras]

28 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

My issue is the clubs being focused on these “customers” more than the long term local lifeblood of these clubs. Seems to have been a huge skew in interest and bending over for megastore trolley dashers who’ll sit politely viewing the game through their phone rather than groups of likeminded “legacy fans” who’ll actually get behind the team.

How are they bending over for them? Seems to me they are just trying to grow the fan base as that increases revenue which we need to compete 

[Kid Icarus]

27 minutes ago, madras said:

How are they bending over for them? Seems to me they are just trying to grow the fan base as that increases revenue which we need to compete 

A distinction without a difference really. Bending over, catering to, targeting, growing the fanbase. All different ways of expressing the same outcome.

[TomYam]

5,000 tourists at an expanded St.James's or new stadium may not have a positive impact on the match atmosphere but it'll certainly have a positive impact on the club's finances and city economy. You win more than you lose although it's another example of football as business and moving away from its community roots.

[Dr Jinx]

Any new or existing stadium should have a system hooked up that reads decibel levels and displays it to the crowd like a sort of power bar.

 

It would become it's own thing.. one club does it and the rest will follow. Supporters trying to outdo each other etc.

[Ben]

5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

Any new or existing stadium should have a system hooked up that reads decibel levels and displays it to the crowd like a sort of power bar.

 

It would become it's own thing.. one club does it and the rest will follow. Supporters trying to outdo each other etc.

 

And then the HSE would get involved and all kids will be required to wear ear protectors

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

Any new or existing stadium should have a system hooked up that reads decibel levels and displays it to the crowd like a sort of power bar.

 

It would become it's own thing.. one club does it and the rest will follow. Supporters trying to outdo each other etc.

 

We could also have a few snipers on the top of each stand, if you have your phone out for more than 30 seconds per half then it'll be...

 

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[RodneyCisse]

On 05/01/2025 at 08:04, kingxlnc said:

We need to sign Kang-in Lee to have our own South Korean tourists

With the ticket issues as they are already, the last thing we need is more tourists with possible higher spending ability to come in and spoil the party further.

[Slim]

1 hour ago, TomYam said:

5,000 tourists at an expanded St.James's or new stadium may not have a positive impact on the match atmosphere but it'll certainly have a positive impact on the club's finances and city economy. You win more than you lose although it's another example of football as business and moving away from its community roots.

In my experience the "tourist" make more noise than the season ticket holders at SJP.

[TomYam]

19 minutes ago, Slim said:

In my experience the "tourist" make more noise than the season ticket holders at SJP.

I used the modal verb 'may' to denite the possibility that the atmosphere could be affected negatively. I suspect there'd be very little difference.

[NWMag]

Has anyone ever used the Wings hospitality? 
 

feel like it’s my best chance of attending a game, but at £400+ for Fulham at home it feels pricey 

[SteV]

4 minutes ago, NWMag said:

Has anyone ever used the Wings hospitality? 
 

feel like it’s my best chance of attending a game, but at £400+ for Fulham at home it feels pricey 

If you’ve got a membership someone on here will be able to get you a normal priced ticket I’m sure.