St James' Park

[Stifler]

8 hours ago, Jonas said:

Looks like a bigger version of White Hart Lane. Screens in the same place, seat colour and everything. Different to the norm new stadiums yet still samey.

Would be a very bitter pill to fetch up with just a bigger version of that.

Can’t unsee it as the a modern version of the Old White Hart Lane now.

[Dr Venkman]

9 hours ago, duo said:

I hate the twin LED at the Etihad I hope we never do that. So distracting from the game.

I feel this way about all advertising boards with moving images.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

Can’t unsee it as the a modern version of the Old White Hart Lane now.

 

I just hope the TV cameras aren't at some ridiculous angle like they were at WHL.

[Tross]

48 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

I feel this way about all advertising boards with moving images.

 

Aye we had one a few years ago that flashed like fuck - Think it was for flannels when Ashley acquired it. 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

I do like the roof design it looks quite impressive lit up blue at night and you can see the steel through the glass.

 

It does look bland inside but think it’ll have a decent atmosphere, they’ve got the important aspects like close to pitch, steep stands and a big home end.

 

On our stadium i’d love to see a window so you can view the City from inside the stadium, much like some of these newer US NFL stadiums, but think I’d be quite happy if we ended up with a 70k stadium with an intimate feel like that, where everyone seems on top of the action.

 

According to the write up in the Times the acoustics are great so should generate a great atmosphere. I think their fans will be happy once they get used to the idea of being out of Goodison.

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

According to the write up in the Times the acoustics are great so should generate a great atmosphere. I think their fans will be happy once they get used to the idea of being out of Goodison.

Without doubt they had to move and in time the stadium will help regenerate the area around it.

 

From an away fan perspective I always find getting to Anfield and Goodison a complete chew on from City Centre, on a nice day you could do a few city centre bars now and walk to their new ground.

[Tiresias]

5 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Without doubt they had to move and in time the stadium will help regenerate the area around it.

 

From an away fan perspective I always find getting to Anfield and Goodison a complete chew on from City Centre, on a nice day you could do a few city centre bars now and walk to their new ground.

 

Yeah critique of the location is probably a bit cart before horse. In the next decade presumably a lot will pop up next to it, even if it's a bit crap now will be well worth it for them. 

[TRon]

12 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Without doubt they had to move and in time the stadium will help regenerate the area around it.

 

From an away fan perspective I always find getting to Anfield and Goodison a complete chew on from City Centre, on a nice day you could do a few city centre bars now and walk to their new ground.

 

Was reading about the escalators inside the new ground. I think fans will quickly come to appreciate modern amenities, even those who claim to be diehard traditionalists.

[Bizza]

12 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Location is shite apparently; nothing around it. No pubs apart from one which I've been told is a shithole. May be wrong but I don't think there's a Merseyrail (Liverpool's far superior version of our metty) station near it either. EDIT: Am wrong on that, Sandhills is round the corner. Still, though. Nowt around it.

 

 

 

 

Looks absolutely shite on Google Maps, nothing but docks and industrial estate. Awful location.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Bizza said:

 

Looks absolutely shite on Google Maps, nothing but docks and industrial estate. Awful location.

 

Those are the sort of locations which would have the space to build a new super stadium I expect. If you stay city centre you probably come up against all sorts of planning permission and traffic issues.

[Jackie Broon]

1 minute ago, Bizza said:

 

Looks absolutely shite on Google Maps, nothing but docks and industrial estate. Awful location.

 

It is (although that describes most of Liverpool outside of the centre) and about a half hour walk to anything.

[Jackie Broon]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Those are the sort of locations which would have the space to build a new super stadium I expect. If you stay city centre you probably come up against all sorts of planning permission and traffic issues.

 

Space is the issue more than traffic, that is generally less of an issue in city centres given the established public transport links to them. There just isn't the amount of developable space within or close to city centres usually. Newcastle is pretty unique in that with the moors.

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Space is the issue more than traffic, that is generally less of an issue in city centres given the established public transport links to them. There just isn't the amount of developable space within or close to city centres usually. Newcastle is pretty unique in that with the moors.

 

Agree, we've seen ourselves the issues we have on expanding St James just what a quagmire of legal issues it raises.

 

On the shite location in the middle of nowhere argument, I get that but it could be mitigated somwhat by building a stadium which is a destination in itself, with cafes, shops etc. I remember John Hall first mooted that idea when he was advocating building a complex on the town moor.

[ponsaelius]

21 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Those are the sort of locations which would have the space to build a new super stadium I expect. If you stay city centre you probably come up against all sorts of planning permission and traffic issues.

 

Not to labour this same point again but in terms of traffic/transport it is the opposite. It is much more of an issue the more peripheral you go from the established city core.

 

Everton's stadium looks good to me but is going to have some issues due to its location.

 

Firstly in terms of access/egress it faces the river/dock on three sides which makes dispersal of crowds hard enough as it is as you only have one side for access. Then this is made more difficult due to the listed wall they've had to retain on the remaining side - with a few accesses punched through. I can see getting 52k in and out a bit of a faff and people needing to get there very early.

 

Transport wise it's a problem because there's only one Merseyrail station, which is past the ground and a bit of a walk in and of itself. At the moment there's not a lot around the ground - so you're going to have the bottleneck issue of people getting from the centre to the ground at the same time. This will obviously relent somewhat over time as that area is inevitably regenerated around the stadium - kind of the point of building it there - and it becomes more of a destination in itself over time.

 

 

Edited February 18 by ponsaelius

[Ben]

37 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Those are the sort of locations which would have the space to build a new super stadium I expect. If you stay city centre you probably come up against all sorts of planning permission and traffic issues.

 

Getting to Newcastle last weekend from the Gateshead side was a nightmare, Tunnel shut, Redheugh Bridge shut, all roads were diverted to the one lane Tyne Bridge 

[pedro111]

Without bringing HGV wars back to the forum I do a delivery not far from the new Everton stadium, I drive right past it on the way out and yes it is all former dock/industrial areas, huge bonded warehouses and the Titanic dock etc. Absolutely terrible to drive around.

 

 

Edited February 18 by pedro111

[Hovagod]

Just me that thinks Everton’s new ground looks bland as fuck?

[pedro111]

9 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Just me that thinks Everton’s new ground looks bland as fuck?

 

Same. 20 years time it will be grubby as owt.

[Wallsendmag]

9 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Just me that thinks Everton’s new ground looks bland as fuck?

 

No that was my first thought. Don't know if it needs some writing on the seats along the side spelling "Everton" or something like that but I was very underwhelmed when I seen it. Seen it described as both one of the generic FIFA grounds and a bigger version of White Hart Lane and it's hard to argue with either.

 

Would like to think that with if we get a new ground a bit more imagination will be put into it.

[SteV]

16 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Just me that thinks Everton’s new ground looks bland as fuck?

It’s maybe hard to tell when it’s empty?

 

A lot has been made of the steep-sided stands so it feels like the crowd are on top of the players, so might seem different when you are there, or even just seeing it full on TV.

 

Or it might be shite.

[JT24]

I’ll wait until it’s fully decked out before commenting. I think it has a lot going for it but let’s see. 

[ponsaelius]

All modern stadiums look bland. However to me it looks like a football stadium, with four clearly defined stands, where the focus is entirely on football. 

 

Can't say I felt the same about Spurs' stadium.

[Kid Icarus]

Inside I think it looks good tbh, I like the window allowing for light to come through. Outside it reminds me of the Manta Force spaceship from when I was a kid, which I don't mind. 

[Stifler]

The big question I’d have to ask would you trade SJP for Everton’s new stadium?

Honestly I wouldn’t.

The capacity is only marginally better, and I don’t think it offers anything or can do anything that SJP can’t.

It looks good from the outside, but when you get closer and inside, it’s bland and a bit bare.

[Decky]

2 minutes ago, Stifler said:

The big question I’d have to ask would you trade SJP for Everton’s new stadium?

Honestly I wouldn’t.

The capacity is only marginally better, and I don’t think it offers anything or can do anything that SJP can’t.

It looks good from the outside, but when you get closer and inside, it’s bland and a bit bare.

 

Ours will be a different animal though. Basically in the same place, much bigger and money won't be a barrier so it'll be completely state of the art. There's a strong chance ours will be the best in European football, even world football. For a period of time anyway.