St James' Park

[LFEE]

https://x.com/telefootball/status/1710305883777794057?s=46&t=DDNXUN2PoOBhgKmoF77zNw

[Stifler]

How the fuck will they extend the East stand to that high?

It’s got to be impossible.

[SteV]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

https://x.com/telefootball/status/1710305883777794057?s=46&t=DDNXUN2PoOBhgKmoF77zNw

Has Luke blessed us with an actual article here?

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, SteV said:

Has Luke blessed us with an actual article here?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/10/06/newcastle-united-st-james-park-expansion-65000-capacity/

 

They can squeeze an extra tier onto the East Stand, but only if St James' Terrace bites the dust.

 

Just build a new stadium man, it makes much more sense.

[Turnbull2000]

5 minutes ago, SteV said:

Has Luke blessed us with an actual article here?

 

Can't really see how this article adds anything more than what The Times reported months ago?

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Turnbull2000

[Anderson]

Be interesting to see how they go about doing anything with East Stand. Difficult to envisage how it can be done without a complete knockdown and rebuilt considering there's next to no scope to expand it's footprint and it's already cramped enough as it is.

[SteV]

8 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/10/06/newcastle-united-st-james-park-expansion-65000-capacity/

 

They can squeeze an extra tier onto the East Stand, but only if St James' Terrace bites the dust.

 

Just build a new stadium man, it makes much more sense.

He’s done well to knock something up with literally zero new information (apart from - if you’re being very generous - the estimated potential new capacity number).

[Wandy]

Just now, SteV said:

He’s done well to knock something up with literally zero new information (apart from - if you’re being very generous - the estimated potential new capacity number).

 

That's not even new info. Mehrdad said himself a while ago that they hoped to expand to 65K.

 

I still think the feasibility study may be used as the reasoning to move/completely rebuild, rather than a modest expansion.

 

On Wednesday the club moved up a gear, you could just feel it, and I bet NUFC gained a lot of new fans that night. Will a modest upgrade to a creaking stadium really cut it, as football enters a new age? Not for me it wont.

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

That's not even new info. Mehrdad said himself a while ago that they hoped to expand to 65K.

 

I still think the feasibility study may be used as the reasoning to move/completely rebuild, rather than a modest expansion.

 

On Wednesday the club moved up a gear, you could just feel it, and I bet NUFC gained a lot of new fans that night. Will a modest upgrade to a creaking stadium really cut it, as football enters a new age? Not for me it wont.

I’d say a 25% increase on a stadium already above 50k, is a bit more than modest.

 

But it’s a valid point on whether that really allows us to compete (on a stadium level) with the likes of Spurs.

 

The never ending modernisation v history debate I suppose.

[Doctor Zaius]

I don't want to move like. No way. 

 

It's the location, rather than the stadium itself for me.

[Wandy]

 

1 minute ago, SteV said:

I’d say a 25% increase on a stadium already above 50k, is a bit more than modest.

 

But it’s a valid point on whether that really allows us to compete (on a stadium level) with the likes of Spurs.

 

The never ending modernisation v history debate I suppose.

 

It's not just about adding capacity though, it's also about adding and improving facilities such as corporate, catering & accessibility, and pitch views too. I don't see how extending Level 7 to Gallowgate and a small, additional tier to the East Stand does that by any significant manner.

[Wandy]

1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I don't want to move like. No way. 

 

It's the location, rather than the stadium itself for me.

 

The city centre location is non-negotiable, be it on the current footprint, Castle Leazes or the Arena site. But everything else is up for debate, for me anyway.

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

 

It's not just about adding capacity though, it's also about adding and improving facilities such as corporate, catering & accessibility, and pitch views too. I don't see how extending Level 7 to Gallowgate and a small, additional tier to the East Stand does that by any significant manner.

You would think they will desperate to include some additional corporate in whatever they are able to do.

 

Generally, I’d agree with your point though. We’d be sacrificing the ‘quality’ of stadium for location and heritage.

[Sima]

Just build the the UT Champions Stadium on Leazes Terrace, man.  What’s that look like? About 120K?

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Sima

[Nucasol]

Need someone to go full Sycamore Gap with Leazy T.

[wormy]

39 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

Can't really see how this article adds anything more than what The Times reported months ago?

 

 

 

 

That sounds like Edwards, alright. 

[wormy]

34 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I don't want to move like. No way. 

 

It's the location, rather than the stadium itself for me.

 

I always feel a bit of an outsider on this topic as a non-local but this is it for me.

 

They could knock down and rebuild the entire thing for all I care. It doesn't feel like so much history lost. Does anyone know the actual oldest part of what's currently in place? East Stand from the '70s?

 

Moving from the land itself though feels different. The closest I've come to acceptance is all the talk of Leazes Park, but feel an agreement should be in place that the old stadium site make up for the loss of green if so.

 

Moving much further just feels like a loss of something in my mind. 

[TheGuv]

6 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

I always feel a bit of an outsider on this topic as a non-local but this is it for me.

 

They could knock down and rebuild the entire thing for all I care. It doesn't feel like so much history lost. Does anyone know the actual oldest part of what's currently in place? East Stand from the '70s?

 

Moving from the land itself though feels different. The closest I've come to acceptance is all the talk of Leazes Park, but feel an agreement should be in place that the old stadium site make up for the loss of green if so.

 

Moving much further just feels like a loss of something in my mind. 

Sounds daft, but it’s the continuation of history. 
 

The East Stand is connected to the old Edwardian West Stand, as they were both in situ at the same time. And with the East Stand it has been developed to what we now know today. If the East Stand was knocked down, that connection would continue on to the new Leazes and Milburn. Sounds stupid, but there’s something in that continuation for me. It makes it real.

 

Moving just wouldn’t do it for me. Even if it guaranteed my ST back

[Exiled in Texas]

I’d like to hold my judgement until I see a proposal for the arena site.

I think that a new 21st century MercedesBenz Arena on the banks of the Tyne could be mind blowing with the views across the Tyne and the bridges as backdrop. 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Exiled in Texas

[Infatuation Junkie]

As much as I want it to stay where it is.

To compete. Luxury hotels. Corporate. Pitch able to be moved for concerts etc. Not able to get tickets cos of the shitty ballot.

 

I no longer care. Build something I can go to without stressing to fuck about getting the chance to

[wormy]

51 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

Sounds daft, but it’s the continuation of history. 
 

The East Stand is connected to the old Edwardian West Stand, as they were both in situ at the same time. And with the East Stand it has been developed to what we now know today. If the East Stand was knocked down, that connection would continue on to the new Leazes and Milburn. Sounds stupid, but there’s something in that continuation for me. It makes it real.

 

Moving just wouldn’t do it for me. Even if it guaranteed my ST back

 

I guess to me it feels like enough of that connection is still there by it being on the original ground but that's an interesting way of seeing it that I hadn't thought about.

 

It's pretty mad really how many different viewpoints can be taken over this one topic, in a positive way.

[Dokko]

They should push plans as much as thru can then either be knocked back or the council allow for a major expansion. If knocked back the club can say to the fans it doesn't have a choice but to move, then build an ott 90k stadium for a £bn (which won't count as part of ffp) and sell the naming rights for £100m a year. It's one massive way to navigate around ffp, and the fans won't be precious about the renaming of SJP.

[Stifler]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

They should push plans as much as thru can then either be knocked back or the council allow for a major expansion. If knocked back the club can say to the fans it doesn't have a choice but to move, then build an ott 90k stadium for a £bn (which won't count as part of ffp) and sell the naming rights for £100m a year. It's one massive way to navigate around ffp, and the fans won't be precious about the renaming of SJP.

Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow.

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow.

 

Since when? Can't find anything on that. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

6 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I don't want to move like. No way. 

 

It's the location, rather than the stadium itself for me.

 

5 hours ago, TheGuv said:

Sounds daft, but it’s the continuation of history. 
 

The East Stand is connected to the old Edwardian West Stand, as they were both in situ at the same time. And with the East Stand it has been developed to what we now know today. If the East Stand was knocked down, that connection would continue on to the new Leazes and Milburn. Sounds stupid, but there’s something in that continuation for me. It makes it real.

 

Moving just wouldn’t do it for me. Even if it guaranteed my ST back

 

Aye, has to stay there, for me. We might get a bigger stadium elsewhere but if I walk to that spot one day and it's not there I'll be devastated. Just feels so perfect.