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I hope the toon get into europe next season and they get knocked out by an albert luque hat trick. He is better than shola,duff, etc etc etc and has shown a damn site more that the over rated injury prone little huckle that is owen!

 

after this i no longer support the toon and i will laugh my balls off when he scores about 15 for ajaxthis season!

 

 

I am not a football manager by any stretch but pattinson better than luque??????

 

 

Not likely I would be better than pattinson if i was blind and had two broken legs!he is 100% s****

haven't you folk read this ?
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I hope the toon get into europe next season and they get knocked out by an albert luque hat trick. He is better than shola,duff, etc etc etc and has shown a damn site more that the over rated injury prone little huckle that is owen!

 

after this i no longer support the toon and i will laugh my balls off when he scores about 15 for ajaxthis season!

 

 

I am not a football manager by any stretch but pattinson better than luque??????

 

 

Not likely I would be better than pattinson if i was blind and had two broken legs!he is 100% s****

haven't you folk read this ?

 

Yeah, was just that fucking stupid that everyone's ignoring it.

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Good luck to the bloke, surprised he's managed to get himself to such a famous club after his time here.

 

I hope he does well for them, but I'll possibly be regretting that comment when the idiots start going crazy with the "we never should have sold him" posts.

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I hope the toon get into europe next season and they get knocked out by an albert luque hat trick. He is better than shola,duff, etc etc etc and has shown a damn site more that the over rated injury prone little huckle that is owen!

 

after this i no longer support the toon and i will laugh my balls off when he scores about 15 for ajaxthis season!

 

 

I am not a football manager by any stretch but pattinson better than luque??????

 

 

Not likely I would be better than pattinson if i was blind and had two broken legs!he is 100% s****

haven't you folk read this ?

 

Yeah, was just that fucking stupid that everyone's ignoring it.

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Can't wait until he scores for Ajax, "OMG WTF HE IZ THE BESTEST PLAYER IN DA WORLD!!! AJAX WON AND EVERY1 NOES WHENEVER LUQUE PLAYS THE TEAM WINZ!!!1111ONEONE!!!"

 

Jon, surely that's an exaggeration. If Luque does perform for Ajax (and by that I don't mean just scoring in his first game), then those who defended him and said that he could have done well for us had he been given the chance surely has the right to point out the club's mistake in selling him especially if players like Duff continue to frustrate, and yes it works the other way around as well. 

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Can't wait until he scores for Ajax, "OMG WTF HE IZ THE BESTEST PLAYER IN DA WORLD!!! AJAX WON AND EVERY1 NOES WHENEVER LUQUE PLAYS THE TEAM WINZ!!!1111ONEONE!!!"

 

Jon, surely that's an exaggeration. If Luque does perform for Ajax (and by that I don't mean just scoring in his first game), then those who defended him and said that he could have done well for us had he been given the chance surely has the right to point out the club's mistake in selling him especially if players like Duff continue to frustrate, and yes it works the other way around as well. 

 

Not really, its an entirely different league over there and we have a number of examples of players coming from there and not being able to do it here so I don't see how anyone can honestly say "I told you so" and actually believe it.

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Can't wait until he scores for Ajax, "OMG WTF HE IZ THE BESTEST PLAYER IN DA WORLD!!! AJAX WON AND EVERY1 NOES WHENEVER LUQUE PLAYS THE TEAM WINZ!!!1111ONEONE!!!"

 

Jon, surely that's an exaggeration. If Luque does perform for Ajax (and by that I don't mean just scoring in his first game), then those who defended him and said that he could have done well for us had he been given the chance surely has the right to point out the club's mistake in selling him especially if players like Duff continue to frustrate, and yes it works the other way around as well. 

 

Are you unable to see the major flaw in this argument?

 

Who is to say Luque would have ever been a success here in this league?

 

It's a bit different doing the business for Ajax in the Eredivisie than it is doing the business for us in the Premiership, why can't some people just accept the fact that certain players don't work out at certain clubs?

 

Fair enough he should have had more of a chance, but if his sale gets labeled a "mistake" because he does well for Ajax then the people who do so need an e-slap. It's fairly obvious that the bloke wants to leave now, as well.

 

Surely it's sensible to wish him luck and hope he does well, realising that he was never really destined to "make it" over here for whatever reason.

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Can't wait until he scores for Ajax, "OMG WTF HE IZ THE BESTEST PLAYER IN DA WORLD!!! AJAX WON AND EVERY1 NOES WHENEVER LUQUE PLAYS THE TEAM WINZ!!!1111ONEONE!!!"

 

Jon, surely that's an exaggeration. If Luque does perform for Ajax (and by that I don't mean just scoring in his first game), then those who defended him and said that he could have done well for us had he been given the chance surely has the right to point out the club's mistake in selling him especially if players like Duff continue to frustrate, and yes it works the other way around as well. 

 

Are you unable to see the major flaw in this argument?

 

Who is to say Luque would have ever been a success here in this league?

 

It's a bit different doing the business for Ajax in the Eredivisie than it is doing the business for us in the Premiership, why can't some people just accept the fact that certain players don't work out at certain clubs?

 

Fair enough he should have had more of a chance, but if his sale gets labeled a "mistake" because he does well for Ajax then the people who do so need an e-slap. It's fairly obvious that the bloke wants to leave now, as well.

 

Surely it's sensible to wish him luck and hope he does well, realising that he was never really destined to "make it" over here for whatever reason.

 

On the contrary, I think your analysis is overly simplistic. I accept that the Dutch League is inferior to the EPL and in a way nobody could tell for sure how he would have performed if he had been given a run of games, or at least shown that the management has confidence in him (remember Roeder playing an immobile crocked Ameobi ahead of him). But given that it is an unknown variable, it's fair to say a player who performed reasnably well for Deportivo and if he does well for Ajax on a consistent basis could have done well in the EPL had he been given the chance. Economist called this trend analysis (after making adjustment to differentiating factors off course). 

 

To be sure there are some differences between the three leagues but not enough to conclude that a player who performs in the other two leagues, bought for 10M and sold on a free (?) was not a mistake. Selling an asset worth 10M for free after 2-3 years would be considered criminal negligent in any other non footballing corporation and take the whacky world of football and transfer markets as mitigation factors, I don't see why this should not be seen as a mistake....to say the least.

 

saying that we should "accept the fact that certain players don't work out at certain clubs" is just a convenient way of masking the mistake and making us all feel hunky dorry inside.

 

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Trying to get things signed up with the player we're getting in exchange.

 

this for real or just a rumour you have heard?

 

Neither: I just made it up, but it sounded well ITK, didn't it? :lol:

 

aye certainly left me with egg on my face :lol:

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Can't wait until he scores for Ajax, "OMG WTF HE IZ THE BESTEST PLAYER IN DA WORLD!!! AJAX WON AND EVERY1 NOES WHENEVER LUQUE PLAYS THE TEAM WINZ!!!1111ONEONE!!!"

 

Jon, surely that's an exaggeration. If Luque does perform for Ajax (and by that I don't mean just scoring in his first game), then those who defended him and said that he could have done well for us had he been given the chance surely has the right to point out the club's mistake in selling him especially if players like Duff continue to frustrate, and yes it works the other way around as well. 

 

Are you unable to see the major flaw in this argument?

 

Who is to say Luque would have ever been a success here in this league?

 

It's a bit different doing the business for Ajax in the Eredivisie than it is doing the business for us in the Premiership, why can't some people just accept the fact that certain players don't work out at certain clubs?

 

Fair enough he should have had more of a chance, but if his sale gets labeled a "mistake" because he does well for Ajax then the people who do so need an e-slap. It's fairly obvious that the bloke wants to leave now, as well.

 

Surely it's sensible to wish him luck and hope he does well, realising that he was never really destined to "make it" over here for whatever reason.

 

On the contrary, I think your analysis is overly simplistic. I accept that the Dutch League is inferior to the EPL and in a way nobody could tell for sure how he would have performed if he had been given a run of games, or at least shown that the management has confidence in him (remember Roeder playing an immobile crocked Ameobi ahead of him). But given that it is an unknown variable, it's fair to say a player who performed reasnably well for Deportivo and if he does well for Ajax on a consistent basis could have done well in the EPL had he been given the chance. Economist called this trend analysis (after making adjustment to differentiating factors off course). 

 

To be sure there are some differences between the three leagues but not enough to conclude that a player who performs in the other two leagues, bought for 10M and sold on a free (?) was not a mistake. Selling an asset worth 10M for free after 2-3 years would be considered criminal negligent in any other non footballing corporation and take the whacky world of football and transfer markets as mitigation factors, I don't see why this should not be seen as a mistake....to say the least.

 

saying that we should "accept the fact that certain players don't work out at certain clubs" is just a convenient way of masking the mistake and making us all feel hunky dorry inside.

 

 

It's not simply about the quality of the league, though, that wasn't all I was getting at.

 

You need to take things like his injury into account and his subsequent loss of confidence, the culture shock of moving from La Coruna to Newcastle, the fact he didn't learn English until he'd been here for more than a year, the fact that we paid a grossly inflated fee for the lad and paid him huge wages due to an incompetent manager/chairman combination... there's absolutely loads that goes into how well a certain player does at a certain club, I completely understand that and I'm sure you already appreciate it too.

 

As it stands Albert Luque is, rightly or wrongly, a 6th choice striker if we're playing 4-4-2 and is equally down the pecking order for a position up-front down the middle/on the left of the 4-3-3/4-5-1, meaning he's costing us a lot of money in wages and we won't see any return from him at all on the football pitch. He also seems like he wants to leave the club and try his hand elsewhere. His value has depreciated massively from that over-inflated fee we paid back in 2005 and it's easy to see why when you look at his time here.

 

As you've said, it's completely unknowable whether Luque would have ever done really well here for us, which was my exact point in saying IF he does well for Ajax then I will find it extremely frustrating if people label it a MISTAKE for us to have sold him, because he could have done the same for us here. It's not a mistake, it's a necessary move for NUFC and for Luque after his time here has been a complete write-off, due to a number of factors. I don't blame Luque entirely for how things have gone and I was quite happy to see him given a chance under Allardyce, but it seems both the manager and the player realise it's probably best if he heads off somewhere else to chance his arm.

 

Fair play to him, I say, and good luck. But I won't be calling it a "mistake" if he does well for Ajax, I'll just be happy that he's doing well for himself.

 

It was a mistake how Roeder handled him, perhaps paying that £11.4M/£9.5M for him was a mistake initially, it was probably a mistake that Souness threw him in at the deep end, it was a mistake for him not to bother learning English until 2006, there have been a lot of mistakes from a lot of different parties that have led us to this unavoidable point in time.

 

I, for one, will not be crying over spilt milk though.

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