Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 We need some midfielders with end product in. Emre hasn't got an end product, neither has Dyer. Sell them both. You're right, neither have ever showed any end product. Why oh why must we sell everyone who under-performed last season (ie. the whole team)? We've got a new manager coming in, with new techniques. Emre, Dyer etc are not bad players, and I for one would like to see them start afresh with a new manager, so we can see what he can do for them. Admittedly some players need to go and have gone, but I don't see any reason to replace Emre or Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Joey Barton career league stats: 02/03 - 7 apps - 1 goal - 0 assists 03/04 - 28 apps - 1 goal - 2 assists 04/05 - 31 apps - 1 goal - 4 assists 05/06 - 31 apps - 7 goals (1 pen) - 4 assists 06/07 - 33 apps - 6 goals - (1 pen) 4 assists I think people are seriously overrating him. Parker got 3 goals this season. Barton only got 3 more and he played more games. I am not arguing to keep Parker here, i'm saying Barton is vastly overrated. Barton is more of a Roy Keane type midfielder, someone who can get up and down the pitch and grab the game by the scruff of the neck when he needs to, he's what most thought Parker would be when he came here, not the headless chicken he turned out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 We need some midfielders with end product in. Emre hasn't got an end product, neither has Dyer. Sell them both. You're right, neither have ever showed any end product. Why oh why must we sell everyone who under-performed last season (ie. the whole team)? We've got a new manager coming in, with new techniques. Emre, Dyer etc are not bad players, and I for one would like to see them start afresh with a new manager, so we can see what he can do for them. Admittedly some players need to go and have gone, but I don't see any reason to replace Emre or Dyer. Agreed, if we got rid of everyone who underperformed last season then we would have to change nearly the whole squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Joey Barton career league stats: 02/03 - 7 apps - 1 goal - 0 assists 03/04 - 28 apps - 1 goal - 2 assists 04/05 - 31 apps - 1 goal - 4 assists 05/06 - 31 apps - 7 goals (1 pen) - 4 assists 06/07 - 33 apps - 6 goals - (1 pen) 4 assists I think people are seriously overrating him. Parker got 3 goals this season. Barton only got 3 more and he played more games. I am not arguing to keep Parker here, i'm saying Barton is vastly overrated. Barton is more of a Roy Keane type midfielder, someone who can get up and down the pitch and grab the game by the scruff of the neck when he needs to, he's what most thought Parker would be when he came here, not the headless chicken he turned out to be. My worry is that Barton will do more than "grab the game by the scruff of the neck" - no denying his passion for the game, but on that wavelength I can't deny it sometimes clouds his judgement, and as said before by far my biggest issue with the guy is well-known behaviour issues. And again I really don't think he is really any better than Parker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Dyer must go now. How long is it gonna take people to realize what a waster he is? I'm not saying sell the whole squad. Personally i would rather we kept Parker, and got rid of Dyer and Emre and replaced them with two attacking midfielders who can score goals and create things. If you look at the top teams they all have midfielders who score goals. We rely so heavily on our strikers because we don't have midfielders who can score goals. When Bobby was manager we had Solano, Robert and Speed all scoring. We will get absolutely nowhere if we have to rely on our strikers all of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Manuel Fernandes has to be made the #1 target IMO, he's a class player already and is only going to get better. Benfica are looking for around that £11m, but if Ashley is serious about looking to "revive a fallen giant"(or some bullshit like that), then he should be able to afford that, good players cost good money. And it would prove to be a bargain IMO, a classy DM that has proven he can handle the premiership. If we buy Barton then that tells me we're going to settle for mid table again, he's a nothing player. If HE was Portuguese we would never have heard of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Manuel Fernandes has to be made the #1 target IMO, he's a class player already and is only going to get better. Benfica are looking for around that £11m, but if Ashley is serious about looking to "revive a fallen giant"(or some bullshit like that), then he should be able to afford that, good players cost good money. And it would prove to be a bargain IMO, a classy DM that has proven he can handle the premiership. If we buy Barton then that tells me we're going to settle for mid table again, he's a nothing player. If HE was Portuguese we would never have heard of him. :thup: :thup: Tried to bring him up in the Nani thread but it got lost in the Toon Vs Spurs shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skryp2nit3 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 If we're getting anyone in from the portugese league it has to be Lucho Gonzalez imo. Way better player than Fernandes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 If we're getting anyone in from the portugese league it has to be Lucho Gonzalez imo. Way better player than Fernandes. Could not agree more. However, I believe he's Porto's captain so I doubt they'd be willing to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 You never know, we're selling our captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One is 21 and the other is 26, also one is alot more realistic than the other. I would pick Fernandes myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One is 21 and the other is 26, also one is alot more realistic than the other. I would pick Fernandes myself. Fernandes also works in the EPL while the other guy is an unknown gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skryp2nit3 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One is 21 and the other is 26, also one is alot more realistic than the other. I would pick Fernandes myself. Fernandes also works in the EPL while the other guy is an unknown gamble. Captains Porto ffs... over 30 caps for argentina... great technique with hell of a shot on him. Unknown gamble... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 You never know, we're selling our captain. Parker seems to want out, and it's not as if our future success is at all dependant on the likes of him staying. Not the case for Porto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggybread Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 anyone see the volley he scored away to hamburg in champs league? thought he plays on the right though? sure he did for argentina before emergence of maxi rodriguez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One is 21 and the other is 26, also one is alot more realistic than the other. I would pick Fernandes myself. Fernandes also works in the EPL while the other guy is an unknown gamble. Captains Porto ffs... over 30 caps for argentina... great technique with hell of a shot on him. Unknown gamble... Has he played in the EPL? No, thats what i meant and he would be a gamble until we've seen him here. Shevchenko & Veron, those two should emphasize my point beautifully Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skryp2nit3 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 One is 21 and the other is 26, also one is alot more realistic than the other. I would pick Fernandes myself. Fernandes also works in the EPL while the other guy is an unknown gamble. Captains Porto ffs... over 30 caps for argentina... great technique with hell of a shot on him. Unknown gamble... Has he played in the EPL? No, thats what i meant and he would be a gamble until we've seen him here. Shevchenko & Veron, those two should emphasize my point beautifully Gamble yes, unknown definitely not. The point here is, with class players, they're more likely to succeed than not. While people like to point out the likes of Shevchenko and Veron, they're part of the minority few world class stars that didnt impress here. For every one failure there's 2-3 success stories but no one ever brings them up. And we're not even talking about figures close to the 30m that each of these two cost. To emphasize my point Essien Ballack Ronaldo Alonso Mascherano Tevez Berbatov Drogba list goes on... Didnt stop Man Utd from spending over 50m on Hargreaves, Anderson, and Nani. 3 'unknown' 'gambles' by your standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skhwoody Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Sad to see Parker go, but it seem inevitable, but the shock for once is we are actually making a profit on a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Amy Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Why is £7 million being quoted today though? (on SSN) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skhwoody Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 f365 is reporting the same, well only half a million profit then, but what a turn around, usually we pay top dollar then just give them away for nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Parker17 will have to change his name again. Kiss of death that lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Parker17 will have to change his name again. Kiss of death that lad. I've already done it for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Parker17 will have to change his name again. Kiss of death that lad. I've already done it for him. What was his name before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Parker17 will have to change his name again. Kiss of death that lad. I've already done it for him. What was his name before? Woodgate27, Bellamy10 and Sibierski20 on Toontastic. He's now Duff11 - my choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Parker17 will have to change his name again. Kiss of death that lad. Ask him if he can change it to Shola_23 or Baba_33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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