Thespence Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 TBH we shouldn't really believe anything the papers say. I remember like four years ago they were saying that S Taylor was going to go Barca in exchange for Puyol. By same token I remember Pardew saying AC is not sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 TBH we shouldn't really believe anything the papers say. I remember like four years ago they were saying that S Taylor was going to go Barca in exchange for Puyol. By same token I remember Pardew saying AC is not sale. As Pardew himself has pointed out: " No " is the only answer a manager can give when asked such a question. The reverse situation : Journalist: "So, so what's the stance on Carroll, is he for sale?" Pardew " Yes he is, so we're grateful for any offers." Everyone sees how ridiculous such an answer is. It unsettles a player if he's not interested in leaving, and if he's halfway unsettled, that answer reduces Castle's bargain position enormously. And if we're not interested in selling him, which was our original stance before that ludicrous offer came along, the answer must logically be no. Our deal for Carroll would not have been as near as good , if Pardew had given another answer than categorically no. Unless the player hands in a transfer request before a bid is submitted, "not for sale" will always be a managers stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Liverpool cannot have made an offer to jose or his agent because his contract does not expire until summer 2012. Clubs can only make offers/talk to him in Jan 2012 at the earliest. If they have then its called tapping up and we should report them. Having said that, Liverpool raiding Newcastle for Enrique and Carroll is reminiscent of the 1970's and 1980's when they took McDermott, and Kennedy and ended up winning numerous European cups and domestic titles and trophies etc. Latterly they took Beardsley from us also. If we had told them where to go when they made bids for these players, I doubt very much whether they would have been as successful as they were, not least because Kennedy scored the winner in one European cup final. Its clear that Dalglish has convinced the owners that Liverpools previous success has been based upon bringing in the best players, no matter what the cost. Perhaps if we had had a policy of holding on to our best players it could have been our name on these trophies rather than the bin dippers. When you look at some of the players we have sold it is bordering on criminal. Gascoigne, Waddle, Bearsdsley, MacDonald, McDermott, Cole, Kennedy. All absolutely cracking players at the top of their game who went on to represent England for several years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Liverpool cannot have made an offer to jose or his agent because his contract does not expire until summer 2012. Clubs can only make offers/talk to him in Jan 2012 at the earliest. If they have then its called tapping up and we should report them. Having said that, Liverpool raiding Newcastle for Enrique and Carroll is reminiscent of the 1970's and 1980's when they took McDermott, and Kennedy and ended up winning numerous European cups and domestic titles and trophies etc. Latterly they took Beardsley from us also. If we had told them where to go when they made bids for these players, I doubt very much whether they would have been as successful as they were, not least because Kennedy scored the winner in one European cup final. Its clear that Dalglish has convinced the owners that Liverpools previous success has been based upon bringing in the best players, no matter what the cost. Perhaps if we had had a policy of holding on to our best players it could have been our name on these trophies rather than the bin dippers. When you look at some of the players we have sold it is bordering on criminal. Gascoigne, Waddle, Bearsdsley, MacDonald, McDermott, Cole, Kennedy. All absolutely cracking players at the top of their game who went on to represent England for several years! Yeah, but TBH even after we sold them for years we were title contenders, I mean five years ago we were playing in europe. The difference is that nowadays we don't have reassurance that we'll be bringing in new faces whereas when we sold Cole we brought in Les Ferdinand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Liverpool cannot have made an offer to jose or his agent because his contract does not expire until summer 2012. Clubs can only make offers/talk to him in Jan 2012 at the earliest. If they have then its called tapping up and we should report them. Having said that, Liverpool raiding Newcastle for Enrique and Carroll is reminiscent of the 1970's and 1980's when they took McDermott, and Kennedy and ended up winning numerous European cups and domestic titles and trophies etc. Latterly they took Beardsley from us also. If we had told them where to go when they made bids for these players, I doubt very much whether they would have been as successful as they were, not least because Kennedy scored the winner in one European cup final. Its clear that Dalglish has convinced the owners that Liverpools previous success has been based upon bringing in the best players, no matter what the cost. Perhaps if we had had a policy of holding on to our best players it could have been our name on these trophies rather than the bin dippers. When you look at some of the players we have sold it is bordering on criminal. Gascoigne, Waddle, Bearsdsley, MacDonald, McDermott, Cole, Kennedy. All absolutely cracking players at the top of their game who went on to represent England for several years! Other clubs can contact his agent and say "hey wwe'll offer your lad jose 80k a week to play for us...just pass that one to jose" Transfer request handed in. Sold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChickenKiev Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he wants Champions league football maybe he should start playing better because at the level he is playing now I'd say he's a good championship player. Players should strive to get their own club forward instead of getting to the top by leap-frogging to another team. Players these days..tut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 TBH we shouldn't really believe anything the papers say. I remember like four years ago they were saying that S Taylor was going to go Barca in exchange for Puyol. By same token I remember Pardew saying AC is not sale. As Pardew himself has pointed out: " No " is the only answer a manager can give when asked such a question. The reverse situation : Journalist: "So, so what's the stance on Carroll, is he for sale?" Pardew " Yes he is, so we're grateful for any offers." What tosh plenty of managers/owners have said everyone has a price over the years. Brown said: “I think everyone is for sale but we’d want £10m for Michael. (on about Turner leaving Hull) "Everyone is for sale at a price," was all Celtic boss Gordon Strachan (on about Hartson leaving Celtic) Roeder "Everyone has a price and if someone came in for him, we would consider it" (on clubs being linked to Di Canio) Steve Bruce "Of course, everyone has a price, even if you are talking about the best players in the world. And, if my players are linked with bigger clubs, then so be it." (On about players leaving Brum) Dave Whealn "I have said to the lad that if a club that he wants to go to comes in and offers enough money, we would let him go. We obviously don’t want him to go, but we know he is a player who is in demand." (On accepting serious offers for CNZ) Notice none of them say grateful you make Pards sound like a big issue seller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 £12m a decent price. £47m to spend in the summer ... can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 A good Championship player? Aye righto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he wants Champions league football maybe he should start playing better because at the level he is playing now I'd say he's a good championship player. Players should strive to get their own club forward instead of getting to the top by leap-frogging to another team. Players these days..tut He's in the top 4 or 5 fullbacks in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 His positioning could be better, but he'd easily be Liverpool's best defender imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he wants Champions league football maybe he should start playing better because at the level he is playing now I'd say he's a good championship player. Players should strive to get their own club forward instead of getting to the top by leap-frogging to another team. Players these days..tut You sure you're in the right thread? Perch thread is on the other pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 He's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he wants Champions league football maybe he should start playing better because at the level he is playing now I'd say he's a good championship player. Players should strive to get their own club forward instead of getting to the top by leap-frogging to another team. Players these days..tut Mate you must have predictive text on as the 2nd time you went to write Champions League it wrote Championship & makes you look a complete numpty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChickenKiev Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he wants Champions league football maybe he should start playing better because at the level he is playing now I'd say he's a good championship player. Players should strive to get their own club forward instead of getting to the top by leap-frogging to another team. Players these days..tut He's in the top 4 or 5 fullbacks in the Premier League. Not in my opinion. He makes hellish mistakes nearly every match and he just doesn't seem to learn from them. He's a good player don't get me wrong. But there are much better left backs in the premier league than him. Plus, now that he's basically came out and says he doesn't want to play for us....the sooner he goes the better I say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Alright then, name me 5 Premier League leftbacks better than him. Go on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 After the sale of Carroll, he's been out of focus. He did cost us a point against Fham, and had two big errors against Bham that could have led to a goal or two. But before Christmas he was outstanding.. If we get £12 mill for him, I'm satisfied. I have no doubt that Van Aanholt is able to fill Enriques shoes. He dominated against us in Carling Cup, and has better pace and crosses better than Enrique. I think he will be one hell of a bargain, would have played in most other teams. Sadly for him, Cole is in Chelsea. And he will probably be paid half of enrique's current salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not in my opinion. He makes hellish mistakes nearly every match and he just doesn't seem to learn from them. He's a good player don't get me wrong. But there are much better left backs in the premier league than him. Plus, now that he's basically came out and says he doesn't want to play for us....the sooner he goes the better I say. WTF agree he makes mistakes but he makes them in the right areas, recoverable areas where he knows he has the strength/pace to recover and make amends...i'd say exactly the same about the best fullbacks in the league though, Evra, Clichy, Cole (maybe not as much on the mistakes side with him) as for the bit in bold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 But is Van Aanholt any good at defending? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 His timing on this interview is utter shit, very disappointed in him for that... 100% understand why he would be interested in leaving but save those feelings until the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If he goes, he goes. He may have a point about lack of investment and broken promises but these type of comments to the press do nothing but make me believe that he'd want to go regardless. Europa League the objective? We're a bloody newly promoted club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jubby Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 That's the biggest insult sayin Enrique is championship standard like, a don't think likes of Liverpool would want him if he was at that level . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Be happy with 12mil and a move that's NOT to liverpool tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 But is Van Aanholt any good at defending? Good question. Looked fine in Championship though. Was out of position sometimes, but he managed to cope due to his speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Can't blame the lad, deserves to be at Barca/Real/Inter but not fucking Manure or fucking Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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